An answer to a question by Roused

in #art6 years ago (edited)


The other day @roused asked me a question in a comment:

Is is like that with you and drawing, are you able to draw your thoughts, or is it just a close approximation? What artists like you and @shortcut do is like magic for me :-)

(I included the last part because, even if it wasn't necessary, it was very flattering and mentioned my friend @shortcut who deserves all the mentions I can give him!)

The simple answer to the question is: yes. The more technical control you get on a media, the more you are able to render your thoughts in for example a drawing. I do believe that there will always be some kind of translation between the thought and the media - this is especially true for painting where you are not able to control each little hair of the brush, but also music and text will go trough a similar process of translation.


But there is another thing that has to do with thoughts: thoughts are evolving from outside input. Imagine if you couldn't see, feel, hear... how would you develop a language? When I have been through very intense periods of working I sometimes feel that my thoughts are going in loops. The first time I experienced it I was in my early twenties on the Royal Academy in Copenhagen, and I was chocked by what I then saw as a sudden lack of inspiration, will power and discipline. So I went home to see if a solution would appear to this unexpected situation. For the next fourteen days I went for long daily strolls in Copenhagen, I read Thomas Mann's novel, Doctor Faustus and I went out drinking at bars in the evening. And then suddenly one day the whole machinery was back up and running.

What I learned is that you need input, and that to be able to work seamlessly you need to balance your life with other things than just writing, drawing or playing. Especially if you are one of the lonely artists, painters and writers, it is a good idea to go have a beer with your colleagues, taking long strolls or watch television. Musicians, filmmakers, dancers and others who are in connection with people while making their art is of course better off.

But look at this old clip from the fantastic movie Round Midnight with Dexter Gordon :) Maybe Dex needs a little break (I have to add that he is playing a role based on the life of Bud Powell )

But let's go further into this. Yesterday I made a photo manipulation based on a ivy sculpture by @ocrdu. He wrote in a comment that I might use the piece in one of my artworks and as soon as I saw it I could, in the intertwined weed, see a motive that I have been very interested in: Odin hanging from the Ask Yggdrasil. The photo manipulation piece I made was really just a clarification of what I had already seen, and for that reason I think it is a bit superfluous. Go see @ocrdu's work here: The Second Ivy Sculpture is Here!


Suddenly you see it. In this case an erotic scene.

Seeing images in random phenomenon like clouds, walls or ivy sculptures is an old game in which I am very trained. One thing is to draw from ideas you already have, force the drawing into the shape you imagined, but another just as important thing is to suddenly see possibilities in the lines of your sketch that is different from what you were doing yourself. I am very open for such things, and often make drawings where I am not deciding anything until very late.

Leonardo da Vinci wrote about this method in his advice for painters.

“I cannot forbear to mention among these precepts a new device for study which, although it may seem but trivial and almost ludicrous, is nevertheless extremely useful in arousing the mind to various inventions. And this is, when you look at a wall spotted with stains, or with a mixture of stones, if you have to devise some scene, you may discover a resemblance to various landscapes, beautified with mountains, rivers, rocks, trees, plains, wide valleys and hills in varied arrangement; or again you may see battles and figures in action; or strange faces and costumes, and an endless variety of objects, which you could reduce to complete and well drawn forms. And these appear on such walls confusedly, like the sound of bells in whose jangle you may find any name or word you choose to imagine.”

The brain creates images all the time. Try to think of nothing - if you are successful your head will start flashing strange image associations (If you are not able to do it yourself a sensory deprivation chambers will do the trick)! When confronted with sensory data of all sorts this phenomenon is paired with your pattern recognition skills and can be used artistically.


Hakuin Ekaku (1686-1769), Two Blind Men Crossing a Log Bridge

Probably the most famous example of this is the eighteen century Japanese zen-painters, artist that I have been very interested in. They prided themselves at being able to let the world reveal itself on the paper instead of forcing their own imagination onto it. Art as truth revealed directly to the artists :)


The Meditating Frog by the Rinzai Zen monk Sengai (1750-c1837)

So being able to render your thoughts is only part of what makes an artist good. I always thought that this is how to understand the famous quote by Picasso: "I do not seek. I find."

Alright this suddenly became a very long post. Many thanks to @roused and @ocrdu for getting me started. Yesterday I made four posts and got myself a new steemitboard badge. Today I think I will only make one post.

All images except where stated otherwise are made by myself.

Thanks for reading if you got this far.


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Thanks for including me in the post - now I feel flattered, too :-) This post is a real gem and pretty much sums up, what I'm experiencing when creating art. Especially what you say about seeking for inspiration from outside:

you need input, and that to be able to work seamlessly you need to balance your life with other things than just writing, drawing or playing.

I also use the method of emptying my mind:

Try to think of nothing - if you are successful your head will start flashing strange image associations

And train my pattern recognition skills:

Seeing images in random phenomenon like clouds, walls or ivy sculptures is an old game in which I am very trained.

I can totally understand, that it might look like magic for @roused, and it might sound a bit pathetic, but sometimes I do feel more like a medium of some sort than like an conscious creator.

But the more I'm able to put my ego behind, the clearer the vision takes shape.

Thanks so much for the insightful answer to my question. This is a fascinating subject for me. I've had the privilege of asking several of my musical heroes questions along these lines. Their "chops" or "skill sets" are often described as their "toolbox." It's about getting to a level where you have the technical proficiency to play the inspiration you are channeling. The clip you shared from Round Midnight is reminiscent of what I have heard. For example, this is from Barbara Dennerlein:

This is something that came naturally from my soul. I had an idea of how I would like to play and I just worked at improving and getting my abilities to a level so that I could play what I have in my mind. I always had an idea of how it should sound and what I wanted to be able to play...You have to open your mind and be able to let it sink in to be authentic.

Check her out when she is deep in an improvised solo.

So it was fascinating to read about this from the perspective of a painter and graphic artist. When I get some time I think I'll pull some quotes from various interviews and write a piece along these lines.

Excellent post @katharsisdrill and thanks also to @shortcut for his great insights!

Yes, it's pretty much about "set and forget", learning as much as you can about the techniques and then "forgetting" everything you've learned to express yourself in your own unique way.

When I get some time I think I'll pull some quotes from various interviews and write a piece along these lines.

That's a great idea and I think it would be awesome to provide such an post with more examples like the amazing solo of Barbara Dennerlein.

Expressed very well, that is indeed the essence of it. I think Barbara is so amazing -- fantastic chops and her phrasing, expression and choices are phenomenal.

Crazy foot-work!

I think that pushing yourself into the necessary work without breaking is difficult for many artists. Barbara Dennerlein plays as effortless as she sounds when describing this process, it's beautiful and intense. But to many it can very often be a very rocky road. I think I am very much of the same sentiment as her, not at all as clear and devoted to one instrument (so to say), but I have this ability to forget myself in the work and just walk the road (which is probably why I have worked like a madman while I was ill). It has it's own peace. Sometimes it can be beautiful, sometimes addictive and destructive. When I hear the part where Dex talks about dreaming music, I hear the pain... But that is maybe a whole other discussion.

Someday you have to bring @shortcut to Copenhagen and I will have a bottle of whiskey ready so we can discuss it at length. I look forward to your post about this - I love hearing other artists ideas bout such things...

I just posted a sequel because I was asked some all to clever questions on Diaspora, my other social media.

I saw your other post before I saw this one, sorry again about my flippant answer.

Four months ago, before we were on each other's radar, I did a series of posts about music in our genes.

One looked at the 10,000 Hour theory of Malcolm Gladwell. Basically, one's natural abilities play a much more significant role that what M.G. claims (according to the researchers upon whom M.G. based his theory.) You might find it interesting.
https://steemit.com/music/@roused/what-do-great-musicians-have-in-common-music-in-our-genes

Another post looked at 3 musicians I've interviewed who are tremendously talented, who shared insights into when they first noticed it. Barbara was one of the musicians -- she told me that she reached a level of talent at about 80% of her potential very quickly, she said the really difficult part is mining that final 20%. Even as amazing as she is, the is still dedicated and practices. If you want to check it out:
https://steemit.com/music/@roused/music-in-our-genes

It's true so many artists are consumed by their passion for their art, it must be a blessing and a curse -- I guess the key is to ride that wild stallion of inspiration and drive ;-) One of my favorite living guitarists is Jimmy Herring, for decades he's been on the road for 250 to over 300 nights a year. But when the gig is over, he practices in his hotel room. Last year his wife sent me a photo of the total eclipse they had in the US. She mentioned that was one of the few things that got him to leave the basement and stop practicing. He is insanely good, check out this solo from about 3:30 to 4:45

There is a lot of complex psychological reasons why such an innocent thing as art can go all the way to hell for an artist. Heroin is only the symptom. I have known a person who were andaimable family doctor and ended up committing suicide, so of course it isn't just about art. But there are an overweight among artists , even just among people I know and have have known.

I will check out the gene stuff when my mind is not racing along 50 different tracks at the same time :)

And what a wife he has, Herring :) You linked to some of his music before so I had a day where I listened. Great musician!

Haha, yes! You really use this method in a lot of your art! I also do it when making Phill, actually. I look in the pencil lines for better ways of making a face or doing the composition.

I wouldn't have expected you using the technique when creating Phill, because the comic is so sophisticated and well designed. For me it would really be hard to do something like that, because my main characters would look completely different on every single page ;-)

:) hahaha - Phill is never quite himself.

your words are full of meaning, your ideas are so brilliant, your words have been my inspiration in many ways, thank you very much @shortcut

Please don't overdo it, or it seems implausible.

Interesting read.
I'm actually able to empty my mind like you say, I obviously can't do it in a distracting environment, but I've always experienced visions when I close my eyes, ever since I was a kid, especially when I'm tired and relaxed. If conditions are right I start seeing some really weird shit that just keeps slowly morphing and changing and is difficult to stop without opening my eyes... and then I usually fall asleep. :)

I just tried it yesterday when I was lying beside my almost sleeping daughter, and it was there instantly... and then I actually feel asleep :)

Your thoughts on input, being in connection with people... couldn’t agree more. It would be a hollow existence without this, just as life without art is unimaginable for me.

I guess you live between worlds as an artist - or some do... I do :) Long hours alone is necessary to get the job done (especially authors, they can have all kinds of strange rituals to avoid others :). But of course you need to get out there and even the most time wasting pastime can give something unexpected back.

it is long run reading @katharsisdrill. I will definitely need out side input to have my inspiration especially when I want to write a poetry (not professional). But I heard one of my friend told me when I learn how to draw "you should lets your imagination flow over your hand" is that correct?, from all these drawing the last one I like most.

When you talk about drawing it is very hard to actually understand what you mean. Just like trying to explain smell or taste. You are a cook, try to seek the answer in another creative thing you are good at. Drawing and cooking is more related than you think.

I do not know about the technique of drawing, but I know a little about poetry, when running out of mind I need to bebrbaur with some people, talk a lot with them, then I think again to be able to get the idea, after it all flows back, very beautiful ,,
you are a very experienced artist (I think), and your ideas are very useful

Glad you can use the them in your poetry writing.

Wonderful art

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