Thoughts on why Blocktrades stepping in is what we need right now

in #blocktrades5 years ago (edited)
Some of you may know already, but for those that don't, Blocktrades has offered to step in and work on the number one priority of this very blockchain. You see, sometimes the talk gets to technical for most, but the matter is quite simple. If its too expensive for STEEM believers to run Node servers, then no amount of "belief" is going to make them choose to go bankrupt"



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Reality Check


There are some steemians who believe that all witnesses should be running a full rpc node as well. On paper, on theory, this sounds fine, but when you break down what witnesses actually make signing blocks and how much of it, if not all goes towards paying for the witness server, then you can't help but to accept it seems impossible to do.

The information is available for everyone to see, and this is to say that you don't have to believe my words. You see, even though I can mainly talk about our experience with @helpie, I'm also fully aware of the privileged position we have. This is to say that we have in our team not only an experienced witness @themarkymark, but someone who has provided us with the infrastructure to make this be a reality.

But, if you peak under the hood so to speak, you will find that for all those millions of STEEM power voting for @helpie, because they are millions at this point, @helpie brings "home" about 16 SP per day. At the current price, 32 cents, these 5 dollars which mind you we are very grateful for, can't really make a dent on the bill of a server fit to run a full node.

Now, it's also verifiable that @helpie is ranked in the 50's these days, and thus it's doing great in many ways. But, we can now see how much more impossible it would be for witnesses that are lower in the list, or completely out of the top 100.

The reality is that, witnesses are not all mighty whales of incalculable power, and that rhetoric is comical to say the very least. Most witnesses end up subsidizing the bill, and they so with a smile because they care about this blockchain and believe in the long term potential.

Lowering the barrier of entry


Even though the conversation is currently focused on RPC nodes, the indispensable servers that are used by all apps that run on this very blockchain to query it. There are more things to consider regarding the long term health of this blockchain.

You see, we all talk about mass adoption, about being able to rival the social media giants one day. Yes, through a dapp, not necessarily through steemit, but my point remains. In order for this to happen, running a node, running a witness, in other words, the cost of participating does have to come down as much as possible.

I'm sure most people don't know this, but it's valuable to the conversation to be aware of this very fact. Bitcoin, the father crypto or grandfather at this point, has also nodes. Yes, there are servers out there that help with the security and store the information of the BTC blockchain. This is separate from miners mind you, this is not the same thing, I'm talking about Bitcoin Nodes. Well, guess how much money node operators make? - How about nothing? How does that sound?

I know what you are thinking at this very moment. Why would someone in their right mind run a BTC node, if they stand to make absolutely nothing from it. Well, I think we all know the answer. They are protecting their investment, their motivation to run said node is the same one you and I have to protect our money. However, if it costs a thousand dollars to protect my hundred dollars, the word stupidity falls short as a descriptor.

Restoring Confidence


No matter how I slice this, I can't help but to think that both politically and practically this move is the right one. You see, number one priority for the health of this blockchain is to get the requirements under control, the infrastructure costs as I've described. However, for the outside world, for those who are standing in the sidelines, that's not it at all.

In other words, inside our bubble, inside the STEEM community, this might be common knowledge. But to the outside cryptosphere, we are just a blockchain that is failing to deliver its promises. Yes, this is not necessarily correct, and I don't personally put all the weight on one particular shoulder, but as they say: perception is truth.

In theory, by removing the rocksdb development priority from Steemit Inc's dev team, they could concentrate on their original roadmap and offer SMTs in a timely manner. They could be a watered down version, an alpha release of some sorts just to hit the timeline. But, the truth is that many projects currently depend on them and thus have been shocked in more ways than one with the recent news.

Some are looking at the number and focusing on the zeros because they are judging things with their own pockets. But truth be told, 250k is not unreasonable, and we can't discard the opportunity costs of delaying this any further. This without taking into account the expense of keeping things as they are, and the potential halt we seem to be approaching with the increasing requirements.

So my friends, if you were looking for the light at the end of the tunnel, the way we put this back on track, don't be fooled, this is it.... I'm confident about it, and maybe you should be too.

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What we need is for the ridiculous hardware requirements to go down. After all, I have a couple of servers, spread out across several States. Why shouldn't I be able to run anode via a virtual machine at my house, for instance, if I so choose?

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that is precisely what's being proposed here... with the implementation of rocksdb this would be in theory possible.

my second unit will have a lot of unused space for a while. That's not coming until 2019, but still. It's definitely something to keep an eye on.

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Well said. At the end of the day the difference between saving and debt is spending less than you earn. You can’t always control what you earn but you generally have better control of your costs.

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Great update as I had some technical gaps when reading through Blocktrades post! The discussions taking place are the signal that encourages me that we are going the right direction in decentralizing the community.

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Always enjoy reading your latest thoughts @meno.

My immediate question is why Blocktrades? Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see your support for this recommendation.

In the bigger picture, I will always side with the approach of maximizing the decentralization of whatever blockchain I've elected to invest in.

Why?

Amongst many reasons, one tied to our current situation is eliminating the risk of a "single point of failure" which is capable of "bringing down the whole house."

Sometimes simply stated as, "don't have all your eggs in one basket" ... This is my current and growing concern about Steemit Inc.

So, what does BlockTrades offer us to help reduce or eliminate the risk of total "meltdown?"

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P.S. Thanks for the illustration of the economics of profitably running a Witness server => "real world" reality check ...

Blocktrades has been involved with graphene tech (bitshares, steem) for longer than almost anyone on here. They also already have a dev team, they don't need to hire people for this task, they have them in house.

On top of that, it's undeniable that Dan (the owner, aka blocktrades) is a successful businessman thus, knows how to manage his very successful company. But there is even more at play here.

To sum it up:

  • They know the blockchain tech already
  • They stand to lose a lot, because they are one of the biggest stake holders
  • They already have the dev team
  • They have strong leadership

It's all intertwined beautifully imo.

Okay, very good @meno. Thank you for the prompt response.

No argument with the "pluses," here, as I am sure you know more about it than I do.

My one concern remains about any one party having that much control over the fate of the rest of us ...

Maybe in time, that will resolve itself, but my experience in life says that will not be due to some happy circumstance. Rather intentional, deliberate steps will need to be taken to drive us that way ...

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we need more people like blocktrades to be in charge here

@meno I believe you are a smart man, and with just a cursory overlook of this It sounds good. Please someone put this in plain English. How will this change Steemit, accessibility, speed etc. We need to fix this definitely, I really enjoy what we have. SMT are going to be the future on blockchain, but do we want to burn our Steemit bridge to get there. I also noticed some of the people clamoring to “ sunset Steemit “ political correct talk for shutting down Steemit are whales with large wallets....... That speaks volumes to me!
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In theory the change should be completely invisible to regular users. In other words, all this development aims to do is reduce the costs of operating the servers, not reduce the quality of service they provide.

Steemit is not going anywhere at the moment, there is absolutely no reason to fear such a thing.

The references to sunset steemit are more in terms of the dependance we may have from them. In other words, most dapps use their free servers to run, instead of coming up with a sustainable more decentralized solution, this has been the default move.

Thanks @meno, it sounds like this would be good. We really need to reduce our dependance on steemit. Let's make this work, we have so much to offer to the world. I have noticed a lot of input from others wanting to help. This is long overdue, It is just poor timing when the BTC market is dragging everyone down.
Please keep us all informed with your post's...... :)

I know this might not look all that important, atleast to Ned. But I think we need to restore investor confidence as well as ultimately it is Steem prices which keeps everything going

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I love the idea of Blocktrades stepping up, but for one reason only decentralization.

I would like the idea even better if it were community funded, because other wise we are still relying on Ned to fix a problem for us. I acknowledge it would be a step in the right direction.

Also, I think it is highly presumptuous to think this means SteemIt Inc will go back to working on SMTs.

I got the impression while Ned was talking he has no idea what they want to do or focus on.

You are very correct saying that it might be presumptuous to assume this is the case, but at the same time, I think we should insist that it is so.

I mean, the whole Soon ­™ was funny, but for some reason it always made me bit sad.

I'm missing so much of the news lately... Thanks for sharing this @meno. I totally agree with the two main points here: get costs under control, and do what we can to also keep SMT's somewhat on schedule... I welcome blocktrades :-)

I have heard s lot of talk about defense (cutting costs) but I have heard no talk of increasing revenue. If Steem Inc is only gonna play defense, it’s gonna be an extremely hard road ahead. You said we a lot in your post, so I’m not sure if you are part of Steem Inc, but hopefully you guys have solutions for your business to attract revenue. ✌🏾

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I use "we" because we are part of the solution too... I don't work for Steemit Inc, but I try to get my voice heard when I can.

I totally agree with Steemit Inc seeking for revenue, some ideas have been shared regarding this, but it's not hyperbole to say that right now, number one priority is getting costs under control. Steemit is not in the danger of going under tomorrow as some people claim, this has been clearly stated by them. However, they won't be able to deliver the roadmap on time with the current setup.

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