New Age Woo-woo: NONE of this is True.. Except it all IS

in #discussion6 years ago

It's funny how the world likes to separate itself into differing schools of thought and belief.

Mrs. Denmarkguy and I spend a lot of time involved in various facets of the "spiritual" community, which means we come across a lot of what some people (especially those claiming to have a "scientific mind") would dismiss as "New Age Woo-Woo."

I suppose I see myself more as an impartial observer who's more interested in possibilities than eternally trying to nail down everything as fact or not-fact.

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Never the Twain Shall Meet?

Truth be known, I have "issues" with both sides of the coin.

I have trouble with the New Agers and Spiritualists who seem very fond of inventing "realities of convenience" even when the cold hard facts sit right in front of their face.

But I also have trouble with the Scientists who hold that "If we can't measure it and reproduce it in a lab, IT DOESN'T EXIST."

Take the very simplest of examples: Some Woo-Woo person saying they are reading "negative energy," which is immediately dismissed as total nonsense by the scientist who in their next breath will totally confess that they always felt "a bad vibe" coming from the kid who later turned out to be a serial child molester.

So YOUR "vibe" is OK, but THEIR "negative energy" is NOT?

Of course, that usually invites a 40-page dissertation on how "it's not the same thing," which tends to make my eyes glaze over.

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A War of Semantics?

Seems to me it's more a battle of semantics than anything.

Although I am only being slightly facetious here, I often get the impression that the Scientist would be perfectly fine if we called it a "Cognitive thought pattern 42, subsection 9" instead of "negative energy."

Beats me.

Just to make one thing clear here: For the purpose of this discussion, I'm not talking about "Science vs. Religion." I'm more interested in the way people approach "things not (yet) explained."

There's a huge body of events, things and tendencies in the Universe that we simply don't (yet) understand. Just like there are things we now understand that we didn't understand before.

Don't believe me?

Take a super simple thing like radio waves. They've existed in the Universe for billions of years. And yet, can we claim that they "didn't exist" until Maxwell, Hertz and other "proved" their existence? Of course not! Of course they existed!

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Open-mindedness, Flexibility and Exploration...

People sometimes tell me that I seem to have become "less scientific" than I used to be, and that perhaps it's because the "Woo" is rubbing off on me.

That's not true, from my perspective.

Science has become less scientific, leading me to put less stock in it than I used to.

What do I mean by that? Simplest explanation: Science has become too "monetized." Ostensible "scientists" set out to prove what happens to be convenient for their financial underwriters, rather than uncovering facts about the Universe and how things work.

Which creates a dangerous thing called "research bias." Meaning that scientists focus on a specific outcome, rather than simply "observing what happens."

But aren't experiments SUPPOSED to have a specific focus?

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Yes... BUT...

If you are looking for proof" that potatoes cure cancer and you're not finding it, and your control accidentally proves that carrots DO cure cancer, sweeping those results aside as "irrelevant" because your research is sponsored by the potato growers association... see where I'm going with this?

But I'm not going to belabor the point. Just wanted to lay forth the possibility that staying open minded is possibly a wiser path than getting locked down in either the path of "scientific proof" OR the path of "Wishful Woo-woo Thinking."

Thanks for reading.

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Excellent points. I've always said the various schools of spirituality all say the same things using slightly different imagery.

Prayer, Meditation and Hypnosis all have nearly the same impact on brain waves also.

This is true. Regarding science and spirituality, failing to prove something doesn’t disprove it. We might not yet have the required means for its detection and measurement. The quarrel is being made by those who prioritize financial gains than finding and spreading unbiased facts from each party.

On the other hand, the more one studies sceince the more he realizes there are more to be discovered, and that every answer raises many questions. So I believe that the unbiased scientific mind shall be more flexible and open to every possibility.

I have few things to point out about the things you've mentioned here and there, but let me explain why I like the scientific side better instead.
The scientific side doesn't just accept something someone said as fact and tries to examine the unknown to understand it before coming up with an explanation for it. Also they are ready to change their position on anything when enough evidence is presented while the other side that I call the "believe side" depends on people following an idea blindly.
I like the side that adapts to the trth instead of twisting the truth to fit their beliefs.

"Cognitive thought pattern 42, subsection 9"
😂 😂 😂 you made me laugh.. I experienced "Cognitive thought pattern 42, subsection 9" this morning when the bus driver started to throw an old lady in a wheelchair off the bus because she was 25 cents short on fare. Some people... Of course there were 5 people that stood up instantly to cough up a quarter but the "Cognitive thought pattern 42, subsection 9" was radiating from the driver and I could in fact see it and smell it. I guess that makes me a Woo Woo of sorts. Nonetheless I prayed the driver would find Jesus instead of praying the rosary or to some stupid statue. Who knows? Maybe she didn't see the image of the virgin Mary on her tortilla that morning, but the negative energy was on her and all around her... I looked down at the old lady in the wheelchair and smugly and quietly said "bitch"...she smiled, winked and we went on our way.

"If we can't measure it
perhaps a different type of measuring device is needed. A microphone (sound) will not measure microwaves.

and reproduce it in a lab, IT DOESN'T EXIST."
Neutron stars come to mind.

Well, @denmarkguy, I'm not a new age spiritualist, but more of a old school made new believer, but I can't disagree with anything you've said here. Science is less scientific and more prove I'm right, however that might work. I can't blame scientists no longer wanting to work tirelessly, hoping for grants that never come while they work on the mysteries of the universe, but selling out isn't quite the way to go, either.

It makes me wonder just what good the FDA or other agencies are that rely on scientific analysis or data of some kind if the work is being paid for by any party with an agenda. We get the results favoring that agenda. That doesn't ring of truth to me in instances where that is clearly the case.

As for the negative/positive energy, so and so forth, it all ends up sounding like religion a scientist could love, which is ironic, since they apparently do not.

I would say that there is plenty on both sides of the equation that is unknown, or yet to be explained, but that we know exists. And just as you said, just because it can't be explained or duplicated now, does not mean it never will be. Drives me crazy when people say something is impossible. A little shortsighted, I think.

And there is plenty of the pot calling the kettle black. I marvel at how anyone can call someone else out and then turn around and do exactly what they were yowling about. Talk about blind. We probably all do it at one time or another, but boy are some of us more oblivious or caught up in our justifications than others.

Never the Twain Shall Meet?
Truth be known, I have "issues" with both sides of the coin.

Yes my friend! because to not have issues with both sides of the coin.
You would need to decipher this equation first:

Or maybe, a minimalist representation of that one: StringTheory.jpg

A War of Semantics?
Seems to me it's more a battle of semantics than anything.

Oh! of course that all this is clearly a battle of semantics!! };)

But I'm not going to belabor the point. Just wanted to lay forth the possibility that staying open minded is possibly a wiser path than getting locked down in either the path of "scientific proof" OR the path of "Wishful Woo-woo Thinking."

You are a pretty prudent & heedful wise man my friend.. :)

As a practicing Christain I do still have a very open mind. And do not discount or discard thoughts or beliefs that may have some legitimacy. Even if they directly conflict with my own Religion.

Loooool, woo woo talk has existed since the beginning of time and scientific mind is just the woo woo talk of today, In an age where anything can happen an open mind is the best way to keep going because reality and truth aren’t fixed yet they are constant.

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