IFC S2R1 - If the Universe Is So Big and Old, Where are All the Aliens?

in #ifc5 years ago (edited)

I was never too interested in the Fermi Paradox, the solution just seemed too simple. Either they did not want to talk to us, or were skilled at hiding it.

After viewing some videos uploaded on youtube my opinion changed completely. The issue at hand isn't that the aliens aren't communicating with us, its that there is no sign of their existence, at all. Obviously the fact that we have never observed signs of life wasn't shocking to me. What was is why we should be, and just how ominous it is that we haven't.

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The Dyson Sphere

Who needs infinite energy when your home solar system comes with a fusion generator that will run for billions of years whether you tap that energy or not? This thing would be the crowning achievement of any alien civilization, and there is little sci-fy about them.

Due to the name, people tend to view these as literal solid spheres. But that is not what most scientists are envisioning. Instead a Dyson Sphere (or Dyson Swarm) can be anything from swarms of satellites, to rings of continent sized habitats. All orbiting the sun for various purposes, but mainly to harness that absurd amount of energy.

This is not some futuristic concept, this is something we could begin working on today. Giant habitats aren't possible until we master building massive structures in space, but armies of satellites doing nothing but collecting energy and beaming it somewhere with lasers is very useful.

Nothing impressive, highly wasteful but the sun is already burning up that power whether we utilize it or not. The biggest restraint to doing this is the amount of material required, but even a partial Dyson Sphere would be very useful. And depending on how thin we can make the solar panels a large asteroid would be plenty for a complete swarm.

For bigger projects we could disassemble a planet like mercury, or as we will discuss later, gather the materials directly from the sun.



What can you do with them?

Travel

I am putting this section first because the idea is crazy, and yet very much low tech. With even a partial Dyson Swarm made up of satellites with no abilities other then reflecting light and adjusting their position, you could mobilize your entire solar system by causing the sun to reflect more light in the opposite direction. Take over enough stars and you could push even the entire galaxy.

We could also use the same method to focus all of that light into a beam capable of thrusting star ships with solar sales into near light speed, or just use it to fry an entire planet from thousands of light years away. All of this with technology we possess today.

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Power collection

The first thing one would probably use a Dyson Swarm for complete or not would simply be as a means of power generation. This can be as simple as shooting lasers wherever you need them. Terribly inefficient, but you have the power of the sun at your disposal, power that would just bleed away regardless.

Considering how little matter that would be nessisary for these, I think this will surely be the first components of our future Dyson Sphere.

Star Lifting

You can mine our sun, and it would actually increase the life of the star. You won't be going out with a pick axe, but lots of matter, especially hydrogen and helium gets ejected from the sun's poles. Which we could increase through several different methods.

If we were able to harvest that matter then we have a source equal to hundreds of thousands of times what we would get if we dismantled earth entirely.

We could also send back the hydrogen but keep all the heavier elements and extend our sun's life for many millions if not a couple billions of years longer then it will live on its own. What we are left with is mostly helium which we have little use for, though we can turn that helium into pretty much whatever we need.

Until we master fusion, this is going to be very inefficient, but we have 3.86 x 10^26 watts of power to work with at any moment. And almost all of this power is doing nothing useful for us at the moment. Thats the real waste.

Habitats

Once you have succeeded in harnessing a decent chunk of the sun's power, and you are successfully collecting planets worth of matter your next step would probably be to build habitats for your colony. Assuming of course you are not a powerful network of AI, you probably have a population of considerable size. And as long as you can easily support that size, more is better.

You can never have too many researchers, or too big an army if you have the space and energy to support that population. Luckily you are colonizing the sun, mining multiple planets worth of matter, and harvesting a source of crazy amounts of power that won't run out for billions of years.

With all of these resources it would be trivial to sustain a population of many trillions of people. More potential researchers then every human currently on the planet, and still trillions of people to make sure everything else gets done.



Back to the Paradox

It may have seemed like I got way off topic here, but I think that this precursor was necessary. Hopefully you have come away from this with the same thoughts that I did which was "wow, we really need a Dyson Sphere". If so, then my point here should be a strong one.

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Where are all the Dyson Spheres?

These things are the exact opposite of subtle. Even a partial sphere will quickly become apparent, you simply can't hide the dimming of your star. Nor can you hide an unnaturally dim star.

Even assuming the sphere was built before we could observe the brightness of stars in a meaningful way, and assuming they made it capable of extracting almost all of the stars energy like the Matrioshka Brain, it will still emit small amounts of infrared light in what would otherwise be a dark region of space. Not exactly blending in.

Why wouldn't every alien species eventually decide to make one of these? Can you picture us not having one if we gave ourselves a hundred million more years to accomplish the task even partially? Our earth has only been around for 4.5 billion years, thats only a third of the universes existence. And life as we know it could have existed for 9-10 billion years at the shortest estimates.

Perhaps there will be an advancement in science that throws all of this out the window, but unless we learn to just pull energy out of nothing then I don't see that happening.

Possibly Alone

There is a chance, a good chance, that life developing is an extremely rare event. That life then gaining intelligence is an extremely rare event. Then that life needs to learn to use tools, master fire, build rockets and then colonize space before a cataclysmic disaster either natural or self inflicted.

As humans, as intelligent beings, we should come to the realization that we may truly be the only creatures in this entire galaxy, perhaps even universe. We have no idea how rare it is for a civilization to reach the point that we have now. We have gotten reminded that we are not the center of the universe so often in the past, that we just assume that it will be the same in the case of intelligent life in the universe.

But we might really be alone out there, the universe by most models is not infinitely old, so just because we know it can happen doesn't mean it will ever again. If we die out, there is a possibility that no creature will ever make it to space again.

So it is our responsibility to keep intelligence alive, colonize the stars, and to do anything and everything in our power to continue our existence. Dying off now may mean that nobody will ever figure out how the universe works, and that is a sad thought.



Sources

As I said earlier I have been benging some videos on youtube. The author of those videos is Isaac Arthur, and each one of his videos will blow your mind. He goes through each of these ideas in seperate videos with even more depth, he also has many other amazing videos like how a civilization could survive for quadrillions of years after the death of the last star.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g

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Great first entry!

So it is our responsibility to keep intelligence alive, colonize the stars, and to do anything and everything in our power to continue our existence. Dying off now may mean that nobody will ever figure out how the universe works, and that is a sad thought.

Let's hope that we can continue to learn so that that doesn't happen. It really is a sad thought to think. All these years within the universe would have been ultimately for nothing at all...

Thank you! It really would be a sad outcome. Luckily I don't see too many possibilities where every human gets erradicated.

NASA just announced plans to put a base on the moon, and with the way SpaceX is looking, I wouldn't be surprised if we have a mars base in the next 50 years. Both will significantly increase our survival chamces if we can get them big enough to be independant from earth.

I can see where a Dyson Sphere could/may/should be detectable around a star, even if it is a large one. I am not so sure a Ring World would have that much effect on a start and perhaps those we would not detect. I am still in the hopefull camp that there really are beings from other worlds.

It would depend on the orbit of the ring world compared to us. When we are looking for earth like planets we use the same method we would to search for a Dyson Sphere. Unfortunately we can only see planets that are on an orbit that has them moving infront of the star relative to us.

However, any civilization capable of producing a ring world is going to be several times more capable of producing a complete dyson sphere. That's a lot of power they would be skipping out on.

Its possible there is something stopping the aliens from creating them. But considering how simple they seem to make, I can't see a super valid reason not to. Perhaps an interstellar civilization made it illegal, but its kind of like posessing nukes on earth. Anyone who can tell you not to create nukes, has nukes themselves.

If fusion is mastered, that takes a big motivation away. Though, it still doesn't solve the problem because why wouldn't you make use of all that wasted energy anyway?

Interesting entry. Thanks for playing in our game!

As humans, as intelligent beings, we should come to the realization that we may truly be the only creatures in this entire galaxy, perhaps even universe.

Hmmm.. On one hand I very much agree with you, there appears to be no really hard evidence that proves the existence of alien life and I have not personally met any that I remember so, theoretically I guess that is possible that we are the only ones. I can't prove it either way.
However.. There have been thousands if not millions of testimonial reports throughout history of people claiming to have interacted with beings from elsewhere, and I find it highly unlikely that they were all sort of just "mass hallucinating" these sorts of things.

The stories go back to the beginning of recorded history all the way to present and many of them are very compelling, plus the odds of such in such an apparently large universe I would think are very convincing as well.. I personally think since we find bacteria surviving in outerspace and in other inhospitable places like deep in the freezing oceans and in volcanoes and such that it is extremely likely that conditions elsewhere also arose to create intelligent life. I once again can't prove it, though I do think it seems highly likely we are not alone and I think it seems highly likely that the people in power might even be trying to keep evidence of such from us for whatever reason, but likely because they want to increase their own power, or perhaps just because they don't know how to deal with the foreigners and don't want to be seen as powerless by the people.

Whatever the case, the thing about Dyson Spheres and Dyson Swarms is very interesting as well, and if our secret governments aren't working on such already I imagine they will be in time, furthermore it does seem like there is some evidence out there that there might be these sorts of technologies being used not only on our own sun but elsewhere in the universe as well. So.. I have to wonder how much that is already happening and how much we are being kept in the "dark" so to speak. It is weird that we continue to rely so much on fossil fuels when there seems to be such alternatives available that we could explore much more than we are. But I do tend to be a bit of a conspiracy theorist! So who knows what's really going on, I don't pretend to know.. It is interesting to think about though! Thanks for the thought provoking article and welcome to the contest! I think you did a great job for a first entry. :)

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the read.

However.. There have been thousands if not millions of testimonial reports throughout history of people claiming to have interacted with beings from elsewhere, and I find it highly unlikely that they were all sort of just "mass hallucinating" these sorts of things.

This is true, and is something that interests me greatly. Untill I came across the Dyson Delima I was sure we had communicated with aliens. This picture had me almost certain of it.

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Though I wonder if we are just mass hallucinating these things. Its not an uncommon occurence at all. We hallucinate every time we go to sleep, and I quite often wake up thinking what I dreamt had actually happened.

Many of the people with the most credible stories, the ones who then went on to do something amazing, all have a similar account. They recieved that information in a dream. Shamans used to take drugs specifically communicate with these beings.

Perhaps @leaky20 was correct and consciousness is some underlying force of the universe. The acts of altering our consciousness either through sleep, meditation, or drug use help us break away from that objective experience. To one where the normal laws bend at the more ironclad law of consciousness. In such a universe where consciousness was the primary building material of everything, telepathy, perhaps even faster then light seems like a rational possibility.

Those beings we have been communicating with could be many galaxies away so we would never see their mega structures. Or perhaps even other demensions.

Untill I came across the Dyson Delima I was sure we had communicated with aliens.

What about the Dyson Dilemma made you doubt such? I'm not sure I understand.

The image you posted is a pretty compelling one in my opinion! Though there's artwork from all around the world from pretty much all cultures, so to me it seems pretty overwhelming.. Almost all ancient cultures reported interactions with beings from the sky and quite a few even directly credit them with building their megalithic buildings.

It is interesting that you mention how it's common to hallucinate and that we do it every night when we dream and I think there may be a connection there, some researchers believe that aliens are less physical and more from another dimension and that would make a decent amount of sense, though I think there's physical ones as well and when I say "mass hallucination" it's like, multiple people seeing beings at the same time, like a "shared experience" and such similar reports separated by so many years and geographical distance.. Just seems like it's more than just something in peoples heads.

Perhaps @leaky20 was correct and consciousness is some underlying force of the universe. The acts of altering our consciousness either through sleep, meditation, or drug use help us break away from that objective experience. To one where the normal laws bend at the more ironclad law of consciousness. In such a universe where consciousness was the primary building material of everything, telepathy, perhaps even faster then light seems like a rational possibility.

That's an interesting possibility I've been considering more and more especially recently after watching videos on YouTube about the Holographic Universe theory and "shadow people" which I had an experience with when younger.. Perhaps there is some kind of.. Mental thing going on where we have access inside our own minds to not only things a long distance away, but.. "everything".. And some of these experiences may be sort of a "bleedover" or a "glitch" or something like that.. Hmm..

Those beings we have been communicating with could be many galaxies away so we would never see their mega structures. Or perhaps even other demensions.

Yeah I'm open minded to that. Fascinating to think about, however in the end I still tend to believe we have real physical beings visiting us.. I've heard so many testimonial experiences from people who go into great detail which seem like more than just dreams or hallucination. Yet in the end I admit I don't know..

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Love the entry! Dyson Spheres would be a totally awesome development... it would seriously take us out of the type 0 civilisation that we are currently at! The power that we could harness would be mind-blowing!

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it = )

They are definitely something we should get working on as soon as possible. There is just so much we could utilize all of that power for. Someone in politics needs to convince the world of the dangers of letting those pesky aliens get their hands on the Dyson Beam before us.

Haha... if we could convince the politicians that there were aliens.. we would be in space in a big way already!

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