Oh my gosh...I agree with liberals on this too...even the vigilantism of it all!

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It's not often that I find myself in agreement with liberals, but in the area of personal liberties, personal freedoms, and health issues, I often--despite being what most would call "ultra conservative"-- find myself more like the ACLU than the bogus "conservative" (and truly neoconservative...i.e. Trotskyite) "Heritage Foundation," and their ilk.

Here is an article from Germany about anti-GMO "radicals" destroying certain fields full of genetically-modified wheat as a danger to the "biosphere," animal and human health, and to nearby non-GMO crops:

http://docplayer.org/5371941-100-prozent-oekostrom-fuer-berlin.html


(Image courtesy of foodfreedom.wordpress.com.)

Here is an excerpt from the link above, describing what I believe to be a beautiful exertion of human rights above those of out-of-control technocrats and their global "corporations," translated, imperfectly, from the German:

"Being intimidated, that's not possible! Interview with Christiana Schuler away from Gendreck In April 2008, an experimental field for genetically modified wheat was destroyed in Saxony-Anhalt (see RABE RALF June / July 08).

The field was located on the grounds of the Leibniz Institute for Plant Genetics and Crop Plant Research (IPK) in Gatersleben, which also houses a gene bank. There, the seed of more than cereals is stored and regularly sown. These crops ran the risk of being contaminated - an ancient heritage would have been destroyed. Faced with this risk, six Gendreck activists decided to go away. They went with beet hack against the genetically modified wheat plantlets and freed the field. Now the trial begins against the volunteer field liberators from Gendreck... The trial is expected to begin on the 26th of February in Magdeburg, but may also be postponed... We have cleared the field to save the treasure stored in the Genbank. The IPK believes that it can handle the seeds stored in the gene bank arbitrarily. This is an archive that is in the public mission and interest, and it does not administer private property, but cultural property. The IPK has no right to handle this heritage irresponsibly. We want to underline this aspect during the process. It is also important to emphasize that both the regulatory authority and the IPK itself have acknowledged the high risk of the trial. The contamination of other wheat plants could not be ruled out, but the release of the manipulated wheat was nevertheless started. We want to denounce this negligence and make the process a public indictment against the genetic engineering industry. The IPK gets a brave visit Will you meet the claim for damages? (The fine is) an unattainable sum for us. The defendants will therefore declare themselves insolvent...


(Image courtesy of realfarmacy.com.)

On your website, some of the field liberators introduce themselves by name and face and give their reasons for the action. Will you stick to this tactic after the trial? We as volunteer field liberators will continue to work with our faces and personalities. We do not hide in anonymity, and this action concept has proven itself. Our co-founder Michael Grolm was honored with the taz Panter Prize for Heroes of Everyday Life in 2008 ... Such a thing is possible only through openness. Will something change in the strong support of the population so far when the processes start and are more or less criminalized? Experience has shown us that the support is especially strong during ongoing procedures. However, this is necessary because we depend on moral and financial help: for lawyers, auditing, travel expenses and organization. The heavy burden that we have incurred with the liberation of the field and the legal consequences must be distributed to as many shoulders as possible. There's a lot of work to come. If you look to Gatersleben today, was it worth it? The field rescue in April last year was definitely a huge success. The IPK will, according to its own statement in Gatersleben no longer perform more attempts, (and they are) missing after our action, the donors. In addition, 2008 was a successful year for GM opponents, but we must not rest on that. There are still too many genetically manipulated plants in too many other places, and a broad anti-engineering movement is as necessary as before."


(Image courtesy of rawfoodlife.com.)

This reminds me of the cases here in the USA, minus the vigilantism, where farmers were SUED by Monsanto because their GMO seed was blown by winds into neighboring farmers where the seeds germinated. Monsanto successfully sued, AND WON, suits against these farmers for planting the garbage without payment and/or license! When we've reached a point is society where insanity like that can occur without any hope of redress, then--despite my strong reticence--IMHO, limited an carefully crafted vigilantism becomes more than warranted, it becomes obligatory upon good people (Think Lexington and Concord, April 19th, 1775.)

The only it seems we are going to be successful in pushing back against the technocrats and their unhealthy genetic manipulations may be to make their introduction cost-prohibitive...i.e. make them grow all their carp indoors behind armed guards! The lack of economies of scale and the costs of greater labor may be the only language these environmental radicals dressed in respectable lab coats and three-piece suits understand.

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I disagree that the suits don't understand. I recall that they are availed of research facilities, as well as planning staff.

The strange commingling of tenets on the left and right is strong evidence of the Hegelian Dialectic in operation. The principles underlying these tenets are clearly not the basis for the planks in the platforms, as the lack of individual liberty espoused on the right is contrary to the principles it claims, and those very liberties are similarly contrary to the principles of collectivism the left stands on.

The fact is that the right is an oxymoron. Effecting a collective to advance individual liberties is dissonant and many independents therefore eschew it. I do. In reality individual liberty is actual, and conformance to social collectives of any kind or stripe is at will, regardless of whether oppressive tactics are employed to compel compliance, or advantage sought by compliant individuals.

Essential goods and services have been provided heretofore by industrial mechanisms, but today we see the initial window of opportunity for individual - not collective - possession of the means of production. At fruition, such individual ability to produce necessary goods (combined with mutually voluntary provision of essential services, such as communications, mutual defense, etc.) obviates all 'isms', government, and collective power.

In time this trend will make obvious to more how personally advantageous such possession of productive capacity is, even to those most indoctrinated and least capable of independent action. No revolution is effected without struggle, after all. Despite inevitable resistance by those whose power will vanish as individuals attain autonomy, physics determines what technology can do, and people will profit - as they always have - from adopting new technology.

It is really only a matter of time before the degradation of society via indoctrination and manipulation becomes obsolete, and then we will finally be granted a vision of what free people might attain when beyond vulnerability to force projection by would be overlords.

I believe this window has been closed in the past, as the powerful preferred to destroy civilization rather than attain to the benefits and improved quality of life that would ensue if they allowed those same benefits to those they had power over. This may happen again. If I am right, then it is strong evidence that even destroying civilization is insufficient to prevent the eventual freedom I predict from eventuating.

Only our extinction could prevent it.

Thanks!

Thanks for your typically very thoughtful reply. I agree with much of it.

I do think the right-left paradigm is a bogus construct, and that the political realm would be better viewed as a circle, with extreme left and extreme right (such as they can be displayed on a circle, meeting.)

I do not share your optimism about the short-term future, however, short of divine intervention.

While I am not given your definition of 'short-term' I would be astounded if we had not either failed or succeeded at replacing industrial isms within 50 years.

That may not drag me into the coming transcendence, but it's pretty short term as far as the history of technology goes.

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There is really a LOT of common ground with liberals, for me. Sadly, I cannot get them to FOCUS on it. I can open with "We really need to clean up our food supply" and it takes about three sentences before it turns ugly... Vegans simply cannot seem to grasp the notion of "agree to disagree" or "you do you" or even "love the sinner, hate the sin." I try to explain that I am a very unusual prepper, I am prepared to feed hundreds to thousands of people if there is a REAL disaster. Not with dry and canned food, with my farm. We are going to have to raise animals, that is the ONLY food that I can grow here by the ton. To pretend that a vegan will survive a volcanic winter or mini ice age is almost funny... but I have NEVER gotten that far with a vegan. They call me a murderer and start riding their high horse around in circular arguments...
I actually saw AOC in Congress, and she was not being crazy or stupid. The youtuber was trying to make her out as crazy and stupid, and Lord knows she dishes out plenty of crazy and stupid, but she was asking why the taxpayers who fund nearly ALL first stage pharma research never get a dividend on the final product. It is a damn good question... but the conservative youtuber just wants the clicks that come for calling her crazy.
Yeah, there is a LOT of middle ground, but it is a mesa with slippery slopes all the way around it...

It's like concentric circles in my mind. We overlap on a few libertarian-sounding issues, but are so drastically different on others that it's hard to even work with them on matters we agree on.

We (my conservative friends in Maine) did that with them a few years ago on "REAL ID," and Maine was actually a resistor state until the feds rammed their crap down our weak-kneed legislators' throats and told them we wouldn't be able to fly or enter federal buildings without their "mark of the beast."

But that was rare, and they won't (so far) even reply to me about helping out against the new mandatory vax bill here.

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