Reincarnation as mentioned in the Bible and Bhagavad - Gita

in #mindfullife5 years ago

There are few references on the planet that discuss the ultimate truths about life on earth and our existence here. Some are lost in the mists of time and some references are deliberately altered so that civilization is prevented from knowing their past or the truth of their existence. But hidden knowledge is sometimes revealed for those who are able to comprehend and gain access to a source of information that is considered valid.
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For example there is little for us to study on the nature of our existence beyond this body and this lifetime. Some ancient texts refer to ourselves as immortal, despite the inevitable demise of the current physical body. And some cultures have texts that allude to an eternity here or there, depending on the actions or karma of the person in this lifetime. Actually both western Semitic as well as Eastern Vedic philosophies describe the soul as eternal, but the west sees only one life for the soul on the planet before an eternal heaven or hell.

The Vedas of the East on the other hand, describe an eternity awaiting us in the transcendent realm, but they suggest that we may have many more lives here on earth and in the material world in general, before transcending to the eternal abode, the kingdom of God, so to speak. Relatively few people in the west accept or understand the concept of reincarnation, but most of India – around 1 billion people today – fully accept and understand the concept because it is stated multiple times in the Vedic literature like Bhagavad Gita, where we see the text saying:

श्रीभगवानुवाच
बहूनि मे व्यतीतानि जन्मानि तव चार्जुन ।
तान्यहं वेद सर्वाणि न त्वं वेत्थ परन्तप ॥ ५ ॥

śrī-bhagavān uvāca
bahūni me vyatītāni
janmāni tava cārjuna
tāny ahaṁ veda sarvāṇi
na tvaṁ vettha paran-tapa

“The Personality of Godhead said: Many, many births both you and I have passed. I can remember all of them, but you cannot, O subduer of the enemy.”

Bhagavad Gita as it is chapter 4:5, translated by Swami A. C. Bhaktivedanta

Here we see a clear reference to the philosophy of reincarnation as written down in the Sanskrit language around 5000 years ago. And this is not the only place that a reference to reincarnation is mentioned. Even the Greek philosophers like Plato mentioned the repeated incarnations of the soul when he used the term “metempsychosis”. This refers to “transmigration of the soul” or the taking of more than one life in differing bodies for the same individual soul.

Curiously there is also an historical reference that explains the ancient Christian doctrine and its consolidation around 325 AD or thereabouts, when the early Christian Fathers got together at the Council of Nicea and actually decided which books to keep in the new testament and which to exclude. Finally they kept the current version but threw out the books that were too esoteric including the ones referring to reincarnation. It was there but it was removed, or redacted, and the doctrine was altered to exclude what was – up until then – a standard part of the teaching of Christ.

Reincarnation is not a new concept and should be considered in the light of the multiple references in the Bhagavad Gita itself as we ll as in numerous other Vedic literatures. The Western Church may label the idea as a heresy, but it is common knowledge in the East. And there are numerous pastimes or narrations of people who left their bodies at death only to take another body and continue their existence, for better or worse. As explained in the text above, we forget our previous lives in the body before this one, but it was there, and in fact many of them were there before this one. And many will be there after this one.

So this life is merely one chapter in a long book, which is our journey through the centuries on this planet. When the spirit soul leaves the body, it is carried by the subtle body or the mind. And the mind is the mental identification we have of ourselves based on the lifetime in a certain body. We identify with the external shell that we carried around for the previous life. As we shed the body we still keep the mind, with all its desires, hankerings and lamentations. And these desires pull us toward a body in which we can fulfil those desires, based on our previously acquired state of mind.

As a result the subtle body is born in a new physical body, carrying the passenger of the spirit soul who is the observer. In the new body the old subtle mental body or mind is moulded in infancy into a new identity, having forgotten the previous one during the gestation and birth process. The same spirit soul is present but is heavily covered by the physical and subtle housing, unless we make some endeavour to awaken and remember our original true identity as eternal spiritual person. The techniques for doing that are mentioned in the ancient yoga texts known as the Vedas.

Once one is able to attain awakened consciousness in this lifetime, with remembrance of our eternal relationship to the supreme original source, the “causeless cause of all causes” (in Sanskrit ‘sarva karana karanam’) s/he no longer needs to take another material birth, as the desires of the subtle body have been dissolved and transcended. That is the process of ending the wheel of repeated birth and death, or “samsara”. Now that you have come this far to rediscover this information for yourself, the journey to your ultimate destination has taken a leap forward. Now you know and the end is in sight. I can show you the door but you must take the step to liberation.

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You know, reincarnation is something I have always struggled with. Perhaps it is my cynical, logical and scientific part of me (although that isnt necessarily a precursor for disbelief of anything). Yet i am certain its because I am not as well studied on it as I would like to be. My friend (the one who is a senior vip teacher) tells me it is hard for her NOT to believe in it, and of course if you meditate the way we do we know that the state of mind at the point of death is important for how we enter the next one. Im hedging my bets I suppose, if that makes sense. Whether or not we reincarnate seems irrelevant to me, its kinda an extrinsic motivator to live well. I can see the importance of kindness, compassion and love in this one precious life, I guess.

I wonder what I will believe in the next lifetime ;)

Hm. I find it interesting that you say the scientific part of you is the part which has trouble with reincarnation. Imo, science can explain reincarnation. The first law of thermodynamics states that energy can not be created nor destroyed. Everything we are is energy. Upon death, our physical energies (matter) reincarnates as it decays and gives rise to new life. Our "etheral" energies (consciousness and spirit (spirit is a bit more abstract and not easily grasped in empiricism so we'll leave it out for now) are given back to the pool of energies which give rise to consciousness in the first place. We are beginning to understand consciousness as something of a quantum field which gives rise to existence - but its yin/yang in the fact that existence also gives rise to consciousness. This would be where we return to and eventually depart from as we are given new life. Imo, its the Spirit, or the spark that gives life to all which goes on for reincarnation and the consciousness dissolves into a "memory bank", something like the new age Akashic Records.

What interests me is that I believe time to be cyclical, all things repeating - perhaps slightly different each time, but repeating nonetheless. That said - one individual would eventually experience the life of all all points of consciousness throughout the universe. So, things like past life recall are interesting to me... what's to say that we've not all already been one another?

I feel like I made no sense XD

wow I understood what you are saying it makes sense to me x

No no you did, perfectly. Tbh as I wrote that my scientific side wasnt sure, I had a strong feeling that wasnt quite right either. I think quantum physics actually starts to touch some of the more 'esoteric' understandings in a way regular science hasn't been able to, but I live with a quantum physicist who would likely refute that. It might be this afternoons conversation..I often ask him these kinds of things that come up on steemit! I struggle with where consciousness goes... on one level we are simply meat, which decays and enters back into the universe as matter in various forms and I am good with that. My mind grapples with a soul.

Then, I have had an experience or two where past lives (mine) have made sense to me in ways that nothing else does. I was speaking to my reiki healer about it two weeks ago. She was NOT forcing it on me but offered it as a gentle suggestion for what I was experiencing and it made perfect sense to me.

I dont entirely discount anything.. maybe I just need more pieces of the puzzle to slot together for me and read and think about it some more. Believing or not believing has never been a priority of mine. 'Do good now' has always been something that matters... regardless of whether i come back or not and has a simplicity that stops me entering rabbit holes. I have so many rabbit holes to enter. Maybe Im just not smart enough to grasp it.

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From studying different Dhamma text and having discussions with my husband on dying (@julianhorack, you wrote a real good post on knowing how to die well to live well https://steemit.com/mindfullife/@julianhorack/how-to-make-the-most-of-this-human-form-of-life-keep-the-goal-in-mind) and it was clearly explained to me what happens at the death moment then the next moment is the birth moment where a new life begins (reincarnation) It all tied into Kamma and your state of mind at that death moment and as Julian said learn to die well to live well makes sense to me!

I think you make a lot of sense

We could see it as one long lifetime, with different chapters, that make up the different lives in different bodies. So we still need to live as if there is only the now. And we need to be aware of the repercussions of our actions beyond this body, which, as you say, implies the need to to be conscientious.

The literatures on life and death talk about reincarnation but we have little if any personal experience, is it is hard to believe in reincarnation. Curiously, if there is no reincarnation, then no worries - we die and that's it. If there is reincarnation, then we carry on based on where we left off, so better we act accordingly. The choice is up to the individual. It may be better to prepare and live as if there is reincarnation.

Exactly. Hedging bets. May as well live as if there is reincarnation, because it bodes well for us! Enjoyed thinking upon in again after reading your piece.

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Good point there about energy simply transforming @alchemage. Here is a story i read today about reincarnation and evidence hat seems to support it: https://articles.spiritsciencecentral.com/past-life/

wow you put a lot of work into this, I have never really given reincarnation much thought, as I very much want to focus on the life I have now, as this is what is important. Some part of me thinks that if more people put their energy into their actions than researching what could be, we would be better off.
But I have also just read @alchemage comment and that made sense to me. At the end of the day we need to be true to ourselves and do our best to live more in harmony with the earth x

It all boils down to one long life made up of many chapters, so thinking about the future allows us to gain a perspective of the present actions, as you say.

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Fantastic post! I really appreciate your breakdown of reincarnation as per two well known religions. The council of Nicea truly obscured much of the truth that the cult of Christianity (cult in the anthropological sense) had espoused. Its unfortunate that so much of religion has been obfuscated and used as a means of control. Thanks for putting this together for us!

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Well said!
Since coming in contact with my now husband and years of Dhamma talks, reincarnation makes total sense to me. And it is the liberation I seek - the release from the cycle of life and death. I have quite a ways to go but I believe I am on the path!
Thanks for sharing!

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In oneness the individual soul is maya, but the thoughts of a logical mind aren't applicable and the paradoxical nature of creation is ineffable. To say the individual soul is merely illusion is in and of itself a half truth. The individual experience exists within the context of an eternal collective awareness. The ramifications and permutations of our experiences are infinite and indeed there is only life in different forms many of which we aren't hardwired to perceive on this plane as that would be a conflict of interests. The interest being, creators and participants seeking symbiotic interchanges and limitless perception.

I'm just kind of throwing difficult concepts at the wall here based on my latest venture in this electronic water bag meat suit..

It's just as important to forget as to re-member, just the same we must shed skin which gives the appearance of death but is actually rebirth.. Or perhaps the option for a Bodhisattva that enjoys the challenge. There is always the risk that the material plane of existence could lure a soul back into the cycle of samsara. No risk no reward.

Good to read your words and ideas here @skramatters. The depth of reality is dependent on the perception, interpretation and realization of the observer. Good to know you are going deep while you have the facility in the human form of life.

Sri Bhagavad Gita ki jay!

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