Automation and AI They Took Our Jobs
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5 years ago in #partiko by abitcoinskeptic (73)
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Not a question about automation, you got it there and that was the case since a century ago, already. It's another thing when it comes to decision making. Making the less obvious move with something in mind, etc.
Check out the robo taxi pilots in Wildstar - they were awesome. The game is down, though. Maybe only a youtube search can show those.
I'll take a look at that. I definitely believe AI will replace a lot more than robotics.
Robots can do dangerous and boring stuff. However, the thing with AI is we have a hard time realizing what is really easy and repetitive for a computer to do thinking wise.
Imagine Robo sports commentators with nice repertoires of punchlines, picking the most appropriate for the moment.
That robot looks really kind and handsome. I would give him a job. I've also handed out fliers before. It is hard work. Good job little guy!
You have a very unique perspective.
When people aren't doing menial things, they can do what they prefer. Hopefully this will lead to more efficiency, and most importantly, less waste.
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I agree for most people it will lead to more fulfilling lives. It's the people who are just about to retire that I'm worried about. I don't see them replacing these employees.
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It's true that a lot of jobs can be lost to AI and it is already happening, but when they make life easier for certain things, they can be a big help. I am learning AI myself but that is to have it help me learn further.
AI has already benefitted us a lot. It is definitely a good thing to study especially if youbare already skilled at coding.
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The one thing that I have always wondered about robot use, is say for instance you have 200 robots at work that means you have 200 humans without work. Now multiply that by millions, what will become of the people without work? Who will pay them? And how will they feed their families?
A possibility might be that all the funding that the robots doing the work generate, gets past to a central system who will then divide the earnings as a form of a grant to each person without work?
Blessings!
They are talkinh about a form of tax. It is just difficult to determime. What took a job and what is doing thing more efficiently. If we leave taxes based on overall income the same companies will be making more momey, so the key is to raise corporate taxes. The issue of other countrues lowering them remains.
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The work horses in the old days also did think that they were irreplacable. O boy they were wrong. The did laugh with the first cars.
People nowadays are doing the same.
As innovation lead within our business unit, I am trying to convince people that they do need to keep on innovating themselves, otherwise they will be the same as the work horses!
Cheers,
Peter
There are all kinds of examples of obsolete jobs. I watched a few things about driverless cars and trucks. The drivers were in disbelief when they said the stats.
The famous example is would you kill a road worker to save a bus load of kids, you have 0.3 seconds. A human cannot decide in that time, but a computer can, so there will need to be difficult programming decisions to make. I would base it on life insurance claims. Actuaries have it all figured out. Which accident will cost less? It does get a little more difficult if there is a passenger who will die, but for cold hard programming again it will have to go with the least amount of expected compensation to avoid moral issues.
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For a data-driven take on this issue, I highly recommend Moshe Vardi's talk: Humans, Machines, and Work: The Future is Now. This is the version that I attended at RIce (where he is prof) in 2017:
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Thanks for sharing, I'll have a look at it soon.
I did watch a few videos on self driving cars. They were interviewing the people programming them who said in 10 to 20 years tops people will only be allowed to drive on tracks because they won't be able to afford insurance. Then they interviewed taxi drivers and truck drivers who said it was impossible. These people had never been in the automated cars. Finally, there were some truckers in selfdriving cars who were able to just basically sit there and do office work and take over the odd time when it beeped or on a complicated street (like with tons of driveways, bikes, crosswalks etc.).
Howdy sir abitcoinskeptic! Great points you make here and I heard that Japan is leading the world in robotics because they want help in handling the aging population and really bad demographics for the future. I wonder what the world will look like in ten years as far as robots are concerned?
The way I see it is there are 3 paths for robots. 1 is to do something humans can't do or is dangerous like work underwater or in space. 2 is do something intensely boring like counting or operating simple machines. 3 is replacing humans because humans are more expensive, unappealing, dangerous, annoying, etc [too human]. The last bit is most concerning and what is happening in Japan. While a lot of countries with low birth rates and ageing populations simply let in the foreigeners, Japan builts robots because robots understand their culture better.
lol! love the last line, I'm sure that's true. Well I know that Japan has resisted letting many foreigners in for decades but I also heard that they were going to be forced to start letting them in if they wanted to survive. But I don't know if that's entirely true. Maybe they need an incentive program to encourage the locals to have more kids.
I think overall the robots will be good for the human race, they will eliminate so many dangerous jobs and be much more efficient in factories. And much safer with the autonomous vehicles.
I guess that's why so many are now talking about the basic income payments to everyone.
Poetry is a dying art, but when robots are employed in every occupation under the sun, the everyday man will become a poet. We'll then have more poets versus any other occupation, including lawyers. I wonder what Plato would say of that.
I'm kind of worried this will cheapen creativity and poetry instead of enhancing it.
Don't get me wrong a lot of good poets have to do other things, but we are going to see a lot more bad ones as a result. Is it worth it? I hope people do other things, hobbies, other fine arts, writing, travel, design, exploration, who knows?
No robot will ever write poetry the way I can. :-)
I completely agree with the general sentiment of your post... robots, AI and automation are coming... there really is no real use in resisting it, but there are definite good reasons to influence how the evolve into our society. However, like all disruptions there will be huge upheavals in society... however, the difference this time is that it affects not just blue collar workers, but also white collar workers as well... in addition to jobs that used to be "prestigious" and untouchable...
Robots did to blue-collar what AI will do to white collar. The creative workers will survive, but they will have to compete with loads of blue and white collar workers piling in. Only jobs which require human interaction will last. We must never stop learning.