I am worried about this...please, help me to understand...
Sorry guys, I am still worried about the @steemit action while banning @thedarkoverlord account...
Just a question...let's say that I am a "not-technical skilled" geeky guy, willing to use the Steem Blockchain and I find Steemit, as the majority of the people have done, as the way to create the account, the private keys etc... and, I buy some steem, and I power-up in order to better interact and so, and so...
But, suddenly I get banned as well by Steemit...
How can I handle my wallet if I cannot access to my account?
Should I have to be a "super-geeky" developer guy to work with a "supposed easy access blockchain" as Steem seemed to be in order to recover my investment?
I would like to get an easy solution to this matter, preferable coming from @steemit because if there is not an easy solution for it, I think the "Bad press" of this last action can damage even more the image not only of Steemit but also of STEEM.
...perhaps they should start to think about transforming steemit.com as just the portal to handle the wallet and nothing more, better than banning and censoring accounts.
PLEASE, THINK, DEBATE and THEN, ACT...
The only thing that concerns me about steemit.com is that I created my account with them, so they would be the only point where I could recover my account if something goes really bad (for example if my account gets hacked). Otherwise, Steemit is just another interface to the blockchain...
Dear @steemmillionaire , let me tell you I am fully aligned and in agreement with your comment.
But think about it as being a total NEWCOMER and not an expert as you are ;-)
If I were a pure NOOB I would think twice or triple or more at the time I would like to invest a $
I asked the same question. At least you did get some replies.
Hope you learn how, as many of us need to learn.
do not worry, I am sure you will get solutions...
anyway, have a look here:
https://www.bitdegree.org/tutorials/steem-wallet/
The question is the bad press and image for the ecosystem as does not look a decentralized nor uncensored blockchain
Thanks, but as soon as I read this:
I realised they do not know what they are talking about. Our problem is exactly because they can censor and shut down accounts.
Thanks for the effort.
Your wallet has nothing to do with Steemit.com and everything to do with the Steem blockchain. Steemit can not effectively ban anyone. @thedarkoverlord’s content is still viewable on SteemPeak, Busy, etc. I wouldn’t worry too much about it.
Of course Steemit is not and doesn't represent the Steem blockchain. They -the handsome Ned in particular- said long time ago, when other clients were still underperforming.
However, following @toofasteddie made up story, remember it is supposed to be a non geeky, likely a still Facebook addicted one.
If it is banned from Steemit, then it is no longer possible to access its wallet. And it is likely that person wouldn't know about alternative Steem clients.
That account banned weren't non-geeky. They were hackers. So it is likely they didn't just create an account. They also know what a blockchain is and know how to Google. It is even more likely they know someone who knows there are other alternative ui. Hackers are also persons. They interact with other human beings.
I thing that was the point in @toofasteddie post.
And, on the question itself: the banning is going to do more hurting than healing to Steem. Supposing they are really representing those hackers, then Steemit is censoring their opinion, while they haven't yet done anything against Steem or Steemit.
In a time when free thinkers are flooding into Gab or Minds, banning one of those people to express themselves in Steemit will put us in the wrong side, although it is not the case, as those hackers can still communicate using other UIs.
EDIT: "express themselves in Steemit"
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That’s the point. 100% agree
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I think you are missing the point that posting illegal content will likely be removed from any website, and it isn't up tot he website really - Stinc was likely served with a take down order. I doubt very much they just decided to take this content down on their own to censor an opinion. You could debate whether or not there should even be a thing such as "illegal content", but we live in a real world where in many (most?) jurisdictions there absolutely are laws governing what kind of content can be displayed on a website. Steem blockchain just happens to be one of the very few places where even if a website removes the content / bans you, you can still recover access to it. If a non-techy person can't recover their content / investment because they can't figure out how to access a different front end, they are in no different position than they would be if they had posted the illegal content anywhere else on the web where it would also have been taken down once authorities noticed it and issued the take down notice. How is it Steemit, Inc's responsibility to ensure that someone knows how to access their content if they upload illegal content? And why should it be?
Clearly explaining it. Information and transparence is the key for success.
I don't think is complicate to understand it.
I have to say I see this situation totally differently. This isn't some hypothetical free speech/censorship issue. I am not aware of anyone having an account removed from steemit.com to censor an opinion. Accounts are blocked when Steemit, Inc. receives a takedown notice and the three primary causes of that would be piracy, child pornography and in this case hackers posting stolen confidential data. You are suggesting that Steemit, Inc has an obligation in the name of transparency to provide better service to pirates, child pornographers and hackers? That at the same time as removing their account from the steemit.com front end, Steemit, Inc somehow has an obligation to make sure they understand how to access their account from other front ends / wallets?
This make zero sense. If there is an instance of someone not being tech savvy enough to figure out how to continue to use steem blockchain after their account was removed from steemit.com, that is a good thing.
The last thing you or anyone else who has vested interest in the long term success of Steem blockchain should want, is for pirates, child pornographers and hackers to realize that Steem is a great place to upload their content because it will be stored in a blockchain that is censorship resistant.
People seem to think that because this is a blockchain that it somehow can't be taken down. I guarantee you that if the DoJ or whoever issued the takedown requests to Steemit, Inc RE the darkoverlords account actually understood the Steem blockchain they would have also shut down all the witness servers that store this information! And if you think that is not possible because the servers are in various jurisdictions around the world, that is just wishful thinking. If Steem blockchain becomes known as the home for this kind of illegal content, the witness servers will absolutely be shut down.
Honestly, I don't care about @thedarkoverlord ' s content... I am worried for the bad attitude and possible consequences of steemit...
What consequences? Steemit Inc’s attitude doesn’t affect us at all in this regard. They can take us off of Steemit, but not the blockchain.
Press, general or specialized, will only focus on the fact that Steemit has banned them. And not all people would read the body, in the unlikely case press do really explain that Steemit is not Steem.
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... you would just log in to any of the dozens (hundreds?) of different front ends for the Steem blockchain to access your wallet and account, if steemit.com blocked you. It is almost 100% certain that this was not something Steemit.com did on their own. It is almost 100% certain they were served with a legal order to remove the content from their website, considering it is absolutely illegal to knowingly host hacked confidential materials like this.
You mentioned child porn here in the comments - that is actually one of the really worrying things about Steem blockchain, is that if child porn was uploaded in some format that could be stored on the blockchain (note that images are not actually stored on the blockchain, they are hosted per usual as image files are usually hosted on a server, and all that is recorded in the blockchain is a link to the URL of the image in the image hosting service), e.g. if the actual binary content of a bitmap was loaded as text into a post - if something like this happened, there is currently no way to actually remove it from the blockchain. You could prevent the child porn from appearing on any particular front end for the steem blockchain, but the child porn itself would still be stored in the blockchain and every witness running a witness server would still be legally liable for running a server that has child porn in it (depending I suppose on the laws of the actual physical place that the witness server is located).
Hey, there are not many options to attack from a government's perspective.
A website and company are, that's why this happens, simple as that, all normal.
The account and posts will always be there when Steem blockchain is running. To take the witnesses down would be another, kind of impossible, chapter.
Many attacks will happen and it will make us, hopefully, only stronger, peaceful revolutions don't happen so much in history :-)
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Not related to Steem. Peaceful revolutions don't happen to often and when they do, they are useless.
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Well there was Ghandi here in India, the exception confirms the rule i guess :))
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Yeah... I agree, but I don’t think steemit is helping so much lately
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I just saw a post from them in my feed today. Maybe they are back on? I share your concerns, but if they broke the law I'm not sure the ramifications. I mean if someone was posting child porn on here I sure hope they would be shut down. Right? Decentralized yes, but there has to be a line somewhere. Was it here I don't think so. But steemit has been doing many things I don't like recently.
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Of course, there should be the means to control bad face content but also to easily recover your invested money or the instructions to do it.
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If you were browsing on Partiko then you would have been able to see the account - as noted above, the account was not somehow removed from the Steem blockchain, all that happened was one particular website (Steemit.com) has prevented the account from showing u p on that particular website. Partiko is not steemit.com is not busy.org is not steempeak.com is not... etc. etc. I hope you get the picture.
I get your point but I doubt you get mine...
I’m speaking about attracting people to Steem Blockchain, not necessarily skilled on Blockchain...btw, neither steempeak nor busy or Partiko have the ability to store your private keys but steemit yes...
The best option is: as soon as you create your Steem account, make a copy of all your private keys, install a Steem wallet in your computer (as Vessel for instance) insert your private keys there and connect with the Steem Blockchain... but this that sounds so trivial to you, or I hope so, is not so trivial for newcomers even if they heard about of bitcoin...That’s the point. Do you get the picture?
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I didn't leave this reply to you, I left it to @balticbadger who seemed confused as to why he could still see the account, and I could tell he was using partiko from the blurb it appended to his comment :)
OK
Lines are always arbitrary. If people commit crimes, they must be penalized after committing it.
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@toofasteddie, I use Steem wallet for transactions. So, even if Steemit.inc kick you out, you can easily access your funds. And if you keep your keys, you can access your account via another dApp.
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I know...there are a few options, vessel, cli wallet etc...
I think Steemit should explain it, specially in the NEWCOMERS GUIDE... before Banning anyone
Totally agree. They had a lot of shit pinned to our feeds for weeks but never put some important information like this. I would rather see this type of information pinned to my feed, as a new comer, than I don't know what code updates and events about which I don't care.
Exactly...
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