Did you think we were going to leave human nature at the door?

in #steem6 years ago

Did you think we were going to leave human nature at the door of the Steem blockchain?  There are people who want/need help and some that find giving them that assistance gratifying.  There are people who desire achievement and social status, some would call it greed.  I call it human behavior.




Can we choose to "evolve" human behavior into something different than what it currently is?

I don't know if we can, but I do know that we haven't and I don't mind a  bit.  I am fine with either ideal and those in the middle.  I consider both helpers and those who accumulate to be the same.  They are both seeking a feeling state that feels good to them and they are just using different means to get there.  I'm not saying that it either philosophy can't be taken too far, but the gray area for me is, What is too far?   That is a large spectrum.   To me each group is just seeking their own currency.  

It isn't my concern which group you fall into, and personally I can go back and forth to some degree, looking for balance.   My point is we all have different things that make us feel good, and when we came to Steem we didn't leave our human behaviors behind.

I get confused by those who seem to think this was supposed to be some kind of Wealth Creator, without effort.  It takes something to make something.  It can be many things.  Effort, Time, Talent, Money, Looks, Sympathy, but you have to bring something that people want to buy or reward.  My least favorite expression:

STEEM IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT  ____________.  

I especially hate it when I say it, and I have.

Steem is social site and experiment, but it is a human experience, ruled by human behavior.  Asking others to adopt your worldview is fine, expecting them to adopt your view is frustrating.   I leave that work to others.

So, maybe you want to change the world, I sometimes try as well, but mostly I enjoy observing it.

In any case telling everyone else how to think and how to behave and how they should handle and view money likely will only work if they are seeking a new solution.

I don't know about you, but I didn't leave my human behaviors at the door.

What a messy and awesome experiment!

@whatsup


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People behave on Steemit exactly according to their personality. If they are greedy, they will be greedy here also, etc...

"People behave on Steemit exactly according to their personality"Depends.For example there are a lot people who are acting nice and kind but reality is much different.Possibility of earning money has huge impact on human behaviours and it's not even about being spurious.That's really complicated topic but so is everything else in psychology :)

Don't believe in that. You can fake and act nice and kind but when proper situation comes, you will show your real nature...

You are like the Dian Fossey of Steemians, @whatsup.

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lol, I think that could be a good thing. :)

What a messy and awesome experiment!

Yes, that is actually a very good description. It definitely can be "messy" here at Steemit at times with drama and bullies.

But overall to me at least it has been "Awesome" :)

Thanks for the Post @whatsup

You don't have to change human nature to make larger systems work. Larger systems such as honest institutions work by creating the right environment and incentives for human nature to result in a useful/cooperative outcome. Generally successful examples of such institutions have formalized concepts of accountability, meritocracy etc. that are pretty lacking on Steem.

Yeah, I completely agree, but they have some sort of hierarchy which allows for someone to decide and enforce who it works. As you point out, we don't have that.

They have hierarchy, which makes some things simpler and easier to achieve. But there's nothing to say that hierarchy is necessary for accountability or meritocracy. Indeed when you compare systems of government, feudalism and monarchy are more hierarchical than democracy, but democracy has far higher accountability and in the modern world is more associated with meritocracy as well. It's actually moving away from hierarchy that brings in those traits.

The real benefit of hierarchy is that the process of making decisions is less expensive. The decisions aren't necessarily better, but they're able to be made more easily. Yet, this advantage is fairly moot when it comes to consensus on a blockchain network, whether at the block production level or the liquid vote. Every payout decision is made in the same time period (7 days precisely) and we are making 150,000 collective payout decisions every day. Other kinds of decisions can be made collectively and efficiently if we put our minds to it and the system in place.

So in our context, hierarchy shouldn't be necessary for that either. There is no need for it to achieve those things and no need to give up on concepts of accountability just because we have given up on hierarchy.

Interesting perspective. I will consider it further. Thanks for the thoughtful response.

Human behavior isn't masturbation. The problem is voturbation, and always has been and always will be. The voturbation would be OK, if it didn't directly negatively impact the community. You seem distraught and rightly so since you seem to want to reconcile abuse for which the flag got an explicit bulletpoint reason a year and so ago with human behavior. There's nothing to reconcile though and steem is an experiment? Hardly the intention behind it, and intent is everything, which is also coming back to human behavior, you seem to be of the opinion that abuse is normal human behavior, dare I say you think it healthy even, or should I rather say Steem is supposed to be in beta?

"Human behavior isn't masturbation"

Oh, I beg to differ. Many spend a lot of time and feel good due to masturbation. It's not my thing, but it could be argued it is just a form of self-care.

I view abuse as somethng you can point at and show some damage of some type.

Each of us controls our own stake. Some choose to buy it, some choose to sell it. It all seems perfectly fair to me. I'm happy to see you!

Abuse is masturbation in public. Stake without ethics is also abuse. Abuse is using a feature for extracting equity out of the system which is meant to (don't crucify me!) add value in more ways than one. It's not fair in any sense and the abuse is the same people suffer from the monopoly on gosh darn it just about everything besides marijuana, which is that taken to their obvious conclusion leaves no organic curation which makes this place into a joke which ultimately is not an "experiment " regardless of the fact that by that time the joke will be experiment failed, this place is a public forum and represents the first iteration of what will ultimately have a concrete structured constitution which resolves to curb abuse as Steem has tried so far, as Dan has tried as well and as Ned will need to deliver on or eventuality the community will fork it and continue to perfect the balancing act of inclusion and exclusion, which is exactly centered around what people "view" as abuse, or what they don't want to see.

Yea..I quite I agree with you..steemit is a social site and an experiment.. But leaving our human behavior or attitudes outside steemit will hamper the aspect of sociality.. Its what makes this platform very exciting for me..the fact u could be flagged or upvoted..you could post stuff and still get to edit it if we r not comfortable with it etc..good or bad I think human behavior and psychology is key to the survivability of STEEMIT..aside it..we'd be more of robots..how better would we be than the program that built it? Its a good thing you didn't leave your human behavior outside steemit.. It gives a feel of who you truly are..I'm with mine here..lol

Hahahaha! I totally agree with this one. The topic made me wanna open it, even though I was almost falling asleep for the night.

Our humanness more often than not makes every system the world's ever seen as 'unideal' as possible. That's because everyone is so unique and different, and are as well changing their minds as they go. You cannot expect everyone to accept a law. Hence, even on the blockchain, code isn't law afterall.

Also, no matter how good or 'churched' or tamed we might appear to be, in us lies the tendency to go 180o from what we're known for. Some people just do a better job showing it.

No one ever completely leaves their humanness at the door.

Very nice i like it
That's really great

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You just said "i like it" and in your your last 100 comments you used 36 phrases considered to be spam and you made this exact same comment 4 times. You've received 1 flags and you may see more on comments like these. These comments are the reason why your Steem Sincerity API classification scores are Spam: 76.70% and Bot: 1.60%

Please stop making comments like this and read the ways to avoid @pleasestop and earn the support of the community.

If you are on our side of the human nature, then we will go ahead and increase your friendship with you to your door, please proceed to check my file.

lol. Your file has been approved.

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