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I'm here in Venezuela and i can tell you, Its obviously an attack by the yankee imperialist to try and subdue our glorious socialist nation, but we will not fall for this!1!1!

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I hope you're jocking...

I went to see the doctor about my short-term memory problems. The first thing the bastard did was made me pay in advance.

So you spam steemit in an effort to pay him? 😎

Polio is here in the US as well, it's just not acknowledged as such.

The polio vaccine, it turns out, is probably not the reason for the die-back in polio cases. Leaving peoples' tonsils in instead of routinely taking them out, not spraying people in public swimming pools with insecticide and calling polio by different names probably has quite a bit more to do with it. And being able to intubate when someone's lungs are in trouble helps too...

Can you tell me some of those different names? :O

Acute Flaccid Paralysis Syndrome. Research that, there's so much evidence that polio was ONLY reclassified that you'd be swimming in it for a week. Or pick up the book Dr. Mary's Monkey and the trail of SV40 cancer-causing virus that the polio vaccine was.

"AFP is the most common sign of acute polio, and used for surveillance during polio outbreaks. AFP is also associated with a number of other pathogenic agents including enteroviruses, echoviruses, West Nile virus, and adenoviruses, among others" source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaccid_paralysis

It's a syndrome, not an alternative name for polio. Yes, one of its causes can be polio.

As for the cancer-causing vaccine, I will need a credible reference. By credible, I mean a study published in a credible peer reviewed journal or at least something on par with wikipedia.

Flaccid paralysis
Flaccid paralysis is an illness characterized by weakness or paralysis and reduced muscle tone without other obvious cause (e.g., trauma). This abnormal condition may be caused by disease or by trauma affecting the nerves associated with the involved muscles. For example, if the somatic nerves to a skeletal muscle are severed, then the muscle will exhibit flaccid paralysis. When muscles enter this state, they become limp and cannot contract.

Are you going to quote Wikipedia as a "credible reference"?

First off, what is the source of that quote, and are they credible and not biased to begin with?

Here's an article:

https://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/polio-wasnt-vanquished-it-was-redefined/#_edn1

http://harvoa.org/polio/plag/jr/jr_te04p46.htm

Read this in tandem with https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4160575/ which details that with today's understanding and knowledge, making a vaccine is tantamount to playing darts in the dark or with a blindfold on.

A serious consequence of these facts is that an antibody against a defined antigen, e.g., a whole purified protein or a peptide, could bind to structurally related antigens that have a completely or partially different amino sequence (molecular mimicry). This means that, predicting an antibody has high affinity for the immunizing antigen is extremely difficult if not impossible.

And then contrast that to the language used in the Field Manual:

Serological studies demonstrating the development of serum antibodies to poliovirus may help to confirm the diagnosis of acute poliovirus infection. However the interpretation of the results of these may be difficult. In addition, the commonly available serological tests do not distinguish wild poliovirus infection from the normal response to polio immunization.

A syndrome btw? It's exactly the same symptoms, and in order to distinguish a difference between what could be the causation for those symptoms we have to wander into the world of immunization and virology, where studies like the one I pointed are abound, and you have but one conclusion to derive: that what the results tell us in trying to distinguish what caused it is that we have no clue, only conjecture.

I refferenced Dr. Mary's Monkey, if you want to look at that. I refferenced you to look Specifically for a thing that you dismissed without critical thought by introducing the propaganda that is Wikipedia when it comes to this, plus you have to establish that whoever wrote that isn't getting paid directly from the pockets of the same people that fund the vaccination programs and the "supposed" studies that we have yet to see. If you want to look at the SV40 debacle you have to be willing to be critical of all the establishment propaganda on viruses, especially since wikipedia and refferences such as Shelly's Microbiology have zilch for cited sources and actual replicated experiments when it comes to immunizations, it's pure hogwash with wikipedia still claiming that the mechanism for action is akin to a lock and key when we have known that to not be the case for 40 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SV40

Credible references. Please let us see what you know about the reclassification of polio and why Acute Flaccid Paralysis (syndorme, it's just a syndrome lmao!)is different, what is the distinguishing difference between clasifying one as Acute Flaccid Paralysis and the other as Polio, and disregard what I said and what Wikipedia says, tell us what you know because you seemed to already be aware of the argument when you're asking for different names for polio, and maybe you can reason how vaccines work at all if there is no way to discern the mecahnism by which they work, their reactions and their efficacy and there hasn't been one study that has demonstrated any of this to this day, despite the literature claiming to have isolated Polio 30 years before the electorn scanning microscope was even around to distinguish such nonsenses.

SV40
SV40 is an abbreviation for simian vacuolating virus 40 or simian virus 40, a polyomavirus that is found in both monkeys and humans. It was named for the effect it produced on infected green monkey cells, which developed an unusual number of vacuoles. Like other polyomaviruses, SV40 is a DNA virus that has the potential to cause tumors in animals, but most often persists as a latent infection.
The discovery of SV40 revealed that between 1955 and 1963 around 90% of children and 60% of adults in the U.S. were inoculated with SV40-contaminated polio vaccines.

What this doesnt say is that the vaccines were in use into the late 70's:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16288015

Half-Truths and deflated facts, that's wikipedia for you, ran by the really credible Jimmy Whales, really credible at being a scumbag that is.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16288015

From this excellent article.
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/it-only-took-50-years-cdc-admits-polio-vaccine-tainted-with-cancer-causing-virus/

So how much do we trust the CDC as they covered up and lied to this day about this?

First I want to thank you. To reply to your comment I spent a big amount of time reading about polio. Of course I am not a doctor or something but I now have a better understanding about the disiease.

"Are you going to quote Wikipedia as a "credible reference"?"

I think quoting wikipedia for simple stuff (like what are the causes of a disease) is more than enough but fair enough. Here's something more concrete:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4268831/

In this study acute flaccid paralysis in most subjects was the result of GBS which is most often caused by Campylobacter jejuni.... Here's an interesting tidbit from the paper " Stool examination was adequate in all cases and was sufficient to exclude poliomyelitis. In 138 (99%) stool samples no poliovirus was isolated "...

Now, before I continue with the other things, because my time is limited, can we at least agree that acute flaccid paralysis is a symptom that among other things might caused by polio?

If we can't agree on this basic thing I don't think further discussing this has any point actually and its gonna be a waste of time for the both of us :)

I'm going to have to look them up - I researched this about a year and a half ago when I was looking up polio vaccine and the answer is not sticking in my brain. The shock of realizing it's still around sure did, though.

I will try to get on this at some point today - I'm taking a break from working on taxes and am trying not to get too bunny-trailed while I have a quiet moment...

Okay, here's some of the things that I read leading me to believe that polio has not actually disappeared. You alluded to it in your article by pointing out that some people refuse to call the Venezuelan outbreak "polio".

As you noted, Acute Flaccid Paralysis Syndrome is a symptom, not a disease. However, that particular symptom was the feared outcome of contracting Paralytic Poliomyelitis (most people - 95% - just had what we'd call today a "24 hour stomach bug" when they got polio).

The thing about Polio is that it's an Enterovirus. It was unique in the 50s because that exact strain of Enterovirus had a habit of causing 1 - 5% of it's sufferers paralyzation by attacking the spinal cord.

This onset of ACFS is still occurring in conjunction with Enteroviruses, most recently in 2014 when there was an outbreak of Enterovirus D68 which caused a surprising number of children to suffer polio-like symptoms. Story

Another term for this strain of Enterovirus (with paralyzation) is Novel Enterovirus C105.

This is not ever formally called "polio", but the symptoms are...chillingly similar.

Here is a link to the CDC article about the 2014 outbreak since that's going to be the most skeptical to my point of view: Acute Flaccid Paralysis Associated with Novel Enterovirus

Note that in the article it says that telling the difference between this strain of Enterovirus and the one that terrified the Western world in the 50s is going to be a "diagnostic challenge".

To me, this is double speak. It's like saying the influenza we get today is not the same as the influenza which killed so many people in the early 1900s, so we've eradicated influenza and don't need to be worried about it anymore.

Enteroviruses can still cause paralyzation by attacking the spinal cord. Therefore, Polio still exists and there is no vaccine for this strain. Not surprising, since gut viruses like enterovirus are notoriously prone to mutation and are very difficult to even try to vaccinate against.

2 facts:

  • For Polio and most vaccinable deseases the "socialist" countries were better then the US

  • Venezuela stopped being socialistic and is deep on the way to dictatorship when Maduro come in power 2014.

Just for fun here the Propaganda sheet from Eastern Germany with the polio cases and death, and on the downside the death in Western Germany

(from German Wikipedia)

Of course, Venezuela is a bad example anyway, both for socialism or cpaitalism, since it is an extreme case of the Dutch Diseasem which has brought down the country after the oil prices fell as a result of the US-induced banking crisis and price drops through fracking.

Point 1: I will need a credible reference for that
Point 2: Not real polio!

Point 1: WHO I guess, use google
Point 2: What???

point 1: you are the one who made an argument, show me your evidence and convince me (propaganda posters won't cut it)
point 2: ok, I should have said "not real communism/socialism", hope now you get the joke. If you ask me, venezuela is the perfect example of end stage socialism.

Weirdly point 1 is true (reference), but it should in no way be synonymous with a good thing. From what I gather most communist countries (at least) had compulsory vaccination, so its more like the North Korean strategy from World War Z than how we would see health care in the west. Effective but not overly "patient centred".

This has proven to backfire since many of the eastern bloc became independent. Not sure why but might be a very understandable distrust in all things government.

Weirdly point 1 is true

Not at all weirdly.
Good health care for everyone is one of the central ideological points after all. They may fail at it, and you may not like the methods, like compulspry vaccination, but weird? not at all!

I've not seen any conformation of this yet (usually best to wait for WHO or reuters) but if it is true it's a HUGE setback to the global eradication program. Where there is one case their is often more. Helen Branswell of Stat is usually a good person to follow on issues like this.

Personally I blame the poverty for this one, which I blame on the socialism (or the whatever their government falls under these day) , so yes I agree entirely with your incredibly efficient post!

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