Stake and bake: WPS voting

in #wps5 years ago

Out of curiosity I asked a friend to pull some numbers for me. I wanted to see the votes on the worker proposal system questions going into development by @blocktrades from a different view.

The question is whether the WPS should be funded by donations only, or by a mixture of donations and a percentage of the inflation pool.

Here are the numbers for the total stake owned by all those who voted.

-- DONATIONS
-- MVESTS: 2355.518052497921
-- SP: 1174654.4534557669

-- BOTH
-- MVESTS: 8290.4085960178963
-- SP: 4134277.5394793949

This is not an accurate representation.

As you can see, based on stake, the clear option is the "Both" choice with almost 4x the owned stake behind it, however the alue of the actual comments is currently

Donation: $39.16
Both: $36.27

Now, there are several reasons for this discrepancy of course and one is that a great deal of stake is actually locked up in various areas, including delegations to projects and bidbots. This means that while the accounts own stake, they can't add vote value.

Another thing is that a lot of accounts have delegations either from others or directly from an alt account that affects vote value but not the owned stake calculated. This could be somewhat countered if all people with interest and alt accounts also votes with their alts. But only somewhat.

What about all the other anonymous curation accounts like mangos, redes and the curation snipes going around? Not to mention Freedom and of course @blocktrades (who I will assume won't vote considering his stake in the development).

The challenge of course is getting an accurate view of stake preferences given that there are so many delegations in and out and a whole range of accounts that have split their stake for various reasons across multiple accounts. So far there are only 95 votes and 146 votes on those comments respectively. (All these people complaining about the proposal, why so few votes cast either way?)

Now, your stake is your voice and many have sold their voice to the highest bidder, but that aside, this decision on the proposal is potentially one of the most important in the history and future of Steem. Getting it right is the aim.

There has been talk of @dpoll working on a stake based voting poll but it will suffer the same issues as all accounts would have to vote in order to get an accurate representation. If Freedom does happen to throw his vote in the ring, that essentially locks it up either way.

Steem is a very interesting animal and the way people manage their stake is obviously a big part of the dynamics. However, if it is impossible to get an accurate account of the way stake actually thinks in a binary choice, is it being managed well?

I think everyone realises that the questions however important, aren't really going to be representative of anything in their current voted form but, what will?

Taraz
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Nice title :)

Personally, I think that if you are not in control of your stake, then your voice is not as loud, and your influence is less.

However, it could be possible to call up your dial a delegation and ask them to vote on your behalf. E.g. If a bid-bot was 51%+ delegated to by one account, would it be fair/allowed for that bot to vote with 51% of its VESTS, or maybe even all its VESTS to the preferred place?

However, it could be possible to call up your dial a delegation and ask them to vote on your behalf. E.g. If a bid-bot was 51%+ delegated to by one account, would it be fair/allowed for that bot to vote with 51% of its VESTS, or maybe even all its VESTS to the preferred place?

I think one bot voted didn't it?

Regardless of the various issues or the result, I would like to more accurately see what stake thinks about all of this. I believe Development is needed and I don't think donations will be enough and it will fall on a few accounts. If Stinc wants to bankroll the first year or three to see how it goes, perhaps they might build the system anyway.

Yes i saw a name with 'bot' included.

I am also thinking that donations won't cover things - perhaps to start but building these costs into the chain makes sense for longevity, even if it will hurt me/us initially.

3 year bankroll sounds good :D

The DPOS structure and the way participants allocate their Steem Power has tradeoffs and this is one of them which I believe is the intention and is working. If they have influence tied up elsewhere then it is probably meant for them to delegate it as well. It is good for stakeholders to realize the difference and this may be the perfect example.

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