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RE: The Progressive Case for Greatly Replacing the Welfare State with Unconditional Basic Income
I did not read the thread at all.
to the topic alone there will be some good outcomes to it like reduced bureaucracy and less people trying to claim entitlements they do not deserve, but it will have some bad outcomes too like the basic income becoming devalued more and more by inflation to the point of it being far from sufficient, and most probably will be less than sufficient before any further devaluing happens.
It will also keep the disadvantaged and disabled disadvantaged, because their disability will not grant them any compensation relative to other people.
Basic income should not be granted to people with above average income.
Please read this next to better inform what you are assuming about inflation.
https://medium.com/basic-income/wouldnt-unconditional-basic-income-just-cause-massive-inflation-fe71d69f15e7
Just by reading the informative link text you provided without clicking on it I know you did not comprehend what I wrote about inflation.
You simply saw I used the word and reacted to it.
Read and think about what I wrote and think if the link you posted as a reply to me has any relevance to what I wrote.
So you didn't read the original article, and now you didn't read the article I wrote in response to your reply that directly addresses in great detail the uninformed point you made?
Seriously, start reading articles instead of just thinking you know everything based on urls and titles.
Read and think about what I wrote.
So you let me read your entire article including its irrelevant parts to your quarrels about my claims and let me guess how it answers one of my claims instead of leaving nothing to doubt and answering shortly.
My guess is that you think basic income would enforce a lower rate of inflation and make my claim about governments devaluing entitlements by inflation.
Even if I guessed correctly, which I still wonder why should I guess what you mean, it only addresses only 1 of my claims.
The cases you provided in your article, Alaska and Kuwait, may have been affected by other factors and may be counteracted with a larger amount of cases that showcase the opposite of what you tried to showcase.
My claim is simpler: if a government or a central bank wants to enforce a higher rate of inflation it can.
In the cases you provided, the state of Alaska which is not even a sovereign and the state of Kuwait might have acted in additional ways which you did not mention in your article and these additional actions were the real reason to the reduction of inflation.
So is the lesson that UBI will curb inflation created by central banks and governments in order to devalue this same UBI?
Simply put, inflation is a multi-variable equation. By increasing money velocity for the bottom 60-80% through a tax and transfer of existing money from the top 20-40%, a range of effects will occur that all depend on other factors. To assume inflation across the board, especially to the point of eroding the entire value of the UBI is just about as dumb as saying if you jump really high, you can land on the Moon. Theoretically speaking, that's possible, but it's really really stupid.
Some prices will go up, some will go down. Some supply will not be able to be increased as much or as quickly as others. Some supply is infinite. More money in the hands of more consumers will drive the economy, creating more jobs, and also improving the price mechanism. Because of unconditional income, more people will also be able to engage in the sharing economy as prosumers, where money doesn't actually exchange hands at all.
There's a lot to think about with UBI. Don't think it's as simple as going, "Duh, more money equals higher prices equals pointless."
I did not mean that inflation will devalue UBI to 0 quickly or even slowly, just that even if by some surprise it will be sufficient initially, which I do not believe, since sufficient means discourage to work, it will be devalued as much as the government will see fit.
I am not against UBI, I just explained why it will not happen and where and when it will, it will not be sufficient.
I also maintain the belief that it will be inflationary, and already explained why despite reading your article, not that it was even a part of my claim originally, because I thought it was too obvious to mention, and even if it is inflationary, it is still not sufficient to rule against, so I still wonder why you brought your other article from medium.
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Not even shadowstats.com John Williams, whose data would not be accepted anyway by governments.
Also why give him anything upfront?
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What do you mean devalued by inflation more and more? Should not be given to people above average income, congraz you watered this shit to nothing more than another failed socialist experiment. You are not supposed to be compensated for being disabled, solidarity is nonsense, we are not communists and I also believe that people receiving basic-income will help those disabled as they have time and little extra for that.
You should learn what inflation is and how it is used by governments to avoid paying back as much as they should.
I guess UBI is a capitalistic libertarian idea.
Sorry for not knowing it before.
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