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Acts 20:21 KJV - Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

@barncat did you see both AND's in there, oh, and what do you think repent means?

Revelation 14:12 KJV - Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Interesting isn't it, that those different passages say similar things.

Thanks for the response @in-his-image I appreciate it! Have you run into this guy before? He likes to leave comments like this then he RARELY IF EVER responds to the reply left on his comment.

But it got me thinking...check out

Acts 7:38 "This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Say what? The church was in the wilderness when they left Egypt? Yes...it was there!
The greek word in that verse is Lexicon :: Strong's G1577 - ekklēsia and is translated as "church" 115 times and "assembly" only 3 times. If the church as in the wilderness with Moses then that means that the "church" was not created after Yeshua died and rose again.

You can find more information about the word ekklēsia below.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1577&t=KJV

Yes, @barncat has been taken shots here and there at people's post for awhile and not really having much to say when questioned about what his/her motivations are. As for the Greek translation I try to search for the Hebrew word to gain a better understanding of the mean which isn't always doable.

@simms50 keep studying and don't loose sight of the goal!

Thanks for the encouragement. I as well agree to use the Hebrew as much as possible but as far as I know there is no Hebrew book of Acts so that is why I had to use the Greek in this case!

Shalom!

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