Underbelly - No experience necessary

in #community6 years ago (edited)

Some people tend to believe that experience is the greatest teacher but, experience itself is not only limited in many areas, it is also a very expensive lesson. This is why, 'learning from others mistakes' is an adage that has persisted through the ages.

Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect.
-Vince Lombardi

Practice is replicating a learning environment to mimic a reality in the hope that the skills learned in relative safety (low cost) will transfer through to where they will be needed in a particular situation. The problem is of course that the practice has a cost that many don't want to pay and, the quality of performance in a training area is limited as there is not necessarily the same drive as the real world would offer.

In Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) there is an idea of modelling which is essentially the process of attempting to make practice perfect by observing and dissecting the processes of brilliance. I am not some NLP practitioner but, I was thinking about this today in regards to my post on User Authority (@steem-ua) and then later on @paulag's post on a contribution score that looks at engagement she is working on.

One of the things in my post I identified as a possible area of opportunity is that while the algorithms give a heavy multiplying factor to witness accounts, it would be more practical for the average user to filter them out. User Authority is essentially about building trust of an account through trusting the decisions of other trusted accounts to follow that account. Yes, it is more complicated than that I am sure but, it is enough for now.

So, in the top 100 of the User Authority list at the moment, (which is all that can be seen) there are many witness accounts but, that isn't necessarily helpful for a user to understand what is a good approach to behaving on Steem. Even though people keep talking about the code, it is the behavior of the people that really matters but, where do they get an example of accounts that exhibit behaviors that might lead them to where they want to be?

@paulag's working is trying to gauge the engagement of an account by looking at the transactions in and out. A highly engaged account likely has a lot of things like comments and votes coming in and, a lot going out. It is a balance sheet or exchange of sorts. In the past I have talked about community hubs being important for many reasons including a lead by example position. I have thought a fair bit about my own approach and I think I am pretty engaged here in various ways as well as potentially, a hub of some kind or another.

My UA score is 6.074 and I have a UA rank of 261 on platform. From my understanding, based on my followers, I am somewhat trusted. What I am wondering is what happens if my UA score is combined with an engagement score in some way? What would it show? Would I rise in the ranking or, fall?

I mentioned to @paulag that what would be interesting is to cherrypick accounts that represent various groups and model them visually to see points of overlap, similarities and of course, disparities. In this way, it would be possible to create a filter that would be able to identify and include a community node with high engagement from a resteem service. That is obviously pretty easy to see normally however an interface could use a tool like this to give a much better experience for its users or, at least the option for a much better experience.

However, what is more important perhaps is that these can create models of behavior patterns that will indicate other factors too such as work volumes required, behaviours, content types, earning potentials and, value added to the blockchain. Overlaid with other factors such as User Authority, it may uncover some very interesting behaviours of some very high earning accounts and, give a set of guidelines to a new account on what is required of them to reach various positions.

Even though there is actually no such thing as a perfect model, it would give much more concrete traits for accounts to follow and more sensitive tools for identifying accounts that are valuable or harmful to the community. Rather than relying on the nonsense Steem schools and random posts by strangers about "how to be successful on Steem", there would be concrete examples of what works and what doesn't.

On top of this and since this is the blockchain, an account could be modeled over time to see how it has behaved since account creation. For example, the growth of an organic account could be tracked against one that uses bidbots, the differences between commenting or not or, it can be visualized how a particular account behaves through price variance. It would be incredibly useful for any number of things to have this kind of tool at the disposal of developers at the very least.

It would be able to create a best practice guide for newcomers but, it would also be able to visualize how things like changes to the code or the environment effect behavior across account types.

Having ranking tools like UA combined with modelling tools that can look at engagement and interaction means that we would be able to really understand how the platform is working. At the moment, all the data is there it just isn't easy to use therefore impractical for most users.

With the right tools especially surrounding engagement, there is the potential to really understand the social aspect and inner working of the platform. It should be able to give strong indicators to which accounts are adding value and behaving in a community minded manner and, which are not. I would predict that an overlay of real engagement against the UA score would uncover some interesting relationships between accounts, both in the positive and negative.

I am not technically minded or skilled but from my understanding, Hivemind brings additional tools to make it easier to scrape data so potentially, the views that we have available to us of the blockchain will change. People talk about good engagement, community users and various circlejerks but it is mostly hearsay and rumour, very little concrete to back it up. A few half decent filters and it could all be laid bare. Some may rise in standing, some may fall as a deeper level of transparency is available.

I wonder if having a deeper view of interaction would be like social contracts and behavior will change for the better and solve some of the problems we currently face. Once we see ourselves against others, will we learn from their mistakes, or our own? It is all very interesting to ponder over.

Taraz
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I would really like to know the opinion and suggestions that our friend @lextenebris could give us about the issues described on this post regarding this Rep/UA subject. His skills and capacity in digging and dissecting every piece of revealing useful bits of info across the Steem Blockchain on these matters has been already widely demonstrated.

And therefore, I am going to invoke and summon @lextenebris here, since I fully trust in his great expertise, talent, wit and above all his judgment & criterion to gift us all with some enlightenment metrics and graphical insight about this topic.

I just hope he has not got bored of all of us yet and has given us all as a lost case. Although I know it won't be an easy task to separate him afar and kidnap his brain for a short time from the world of role-playing games that he apparently enjoys so much. Even so, I'm gonna try it anyway.

So, ¿what you say @lextenebris? ¿Are you in or out of this crunching fest? };)

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"Once we see ourselves against others, will we learn from their mistakes, or our own?"

Both, I suspect. Big picture, all the added knowledge about Steem that different metrics could provide, would not only help individuals to learn how to use Steem better, but it would also help techies working on future hardforks. :)

Yep, but at the moment even though the data is there, it is mostly unusable as it doesn't attach itself to experience. Information is just a tool and, it isn't free.

It'll be really useful to see what they come up with, would be nice knowing how many people genuinely care about this platform (at least I believe the engagement metrics will be somewhat accurate)

There could be a few filters run and then stacked also to see across various components. At least, it would give more range to the game here :)

Interesting. Yes learning from others mistakes can be more effective way of moving forward. A deeper view of interaction would solve many problems. Thanks.

A deeper view of interaction would solve many problems.

It would uncover a great many secrets I think :)

I think if they add in your engagement on as a variant then you should rise quite considerably and so should a few others. That would add a fairer balance than how they are currently doing it and what has been suggested.

That would add a fairer balance than how they are currently doing it and what has been suggested.

I think that there is going to be many more options coming after Hivemind that may build upon or create different metrics of ranking. It will be interesting to be able to get global views of Steem and then granulated pieces and individual accounts.

Yes learning from others, that is why steemit is a good platform cause here we can also exprience people's memories, experiences, knowledge and emotions. This post really made me realize a lot of things, steemit is different from other social media.

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I couldn't agree more, learning from the mistakes of others is far better than learning from experience. And this makes the question in the ending part of this write-up a reflective one. Concerning what works and what doesn't works, and how to be successful whether on Steemit or in real life, to me, an individual still has a greater stake and role to play in the ultimate determinants of things and outcomes.
Well done, this was another amazing piece.

It is going to be interesting how behaviour changes when there is more transparency of individual accounts.

I think you guys think to much. It's a social media platform not the Writers Guild of America Club. There's more people on here who can't then can write with your type of exceptionalism. As I stated similarly in another article you posted once that everyone will follow, primarily, in the crowd they feel the most comfortable.

I think that thinking in groups is social and those that come and just randomly drop stuff for votes are strange. People discussing things they find interesting, important or whatever is the interaction of a social group, it doesn't really matter much what is spoken about or whether other people find it interesting. Some people talk about football or basketball as if it means something yet, totally pointless.

That might appear strange to you but it comes as no surprise to me when money is involved. I think I still engage more on my old blog and there's no incentive outside of socializing on topics of interest. Those topics are varied is what the point being was. There's are dozens of blog sites there, one doesn't find themselves engaged in all the various types they usually settle within those of interest and/or their comfort level. I am not saying there's no boundaries because I've seen/heard of them pulling a couple, they had to be pretty bad when you see what they don't pull. (lol) Overall though giving a wide range of discretion and acceptance allows the platform to grown, in their particular case they've grown to be one of the largest providers of blogging platforms for media outlets.

My point is that even though you may think that I or others think too much, it is about preference. Those that don't want to think don't have to read or engage here, no one is forced. those that aren't interested in the mechanics of the platform aren't forced to learn about. No one is forced in any form to be here but, if they have wants and needs that they think can be fulfilled here, they are going to have to learn about what goes on whcih may or may not be in their best interests. It does require thought. For me, if there is no learning experience involved, I generally don't spend much time on it. I am not a very good consumer of stuff.

What you are talking about is finding a way to censor what "you" don't think is quality value, one man's junk is another man's treasure. The last thing this platforms needs is a bunch of intellectual snobs deciding who gets to stay and who has to go, if they aren't abusing the platform them staying shouldn't be a concern. Utube, Facebook or any other social platform didn't reach the status of having billions of followers by deciding certain people just weren't good enough to be there. You had some valid idea's in your post but it boils my blood when I see post that want to be exclusive based on a intellectual standard. Everyone should have the ability to achieve to the best of their ability, if you don't like don't read it, if you don't like it being here no one is forcing you to stay either.

I think you have derailed somewhere. Firstly, a filter isn't censorship necessarily and, everything is available on the blockchain. Steemhunt for example only shows the hunts on its interface but all are available to view on the blockchain itself.

if they aren't abusing the platform them staying shouldn't be a concern.

Secondly, define abuse? Is your definition sufficient or, should it be left up to individuals to decide what they want to see or not?

Everyone should have the ability to achieve to the best of their ability, if you don't like don't read it, if you don't like it being here no one is forcing you to stay either.

The problem is that as more users come on, new users are unable to be found at all as everything flows through. When there are 5 million active accounts, the posting stream is likely to be a few hundred/possibly 1000 a minute. What will you choose? Any basic search function is a filter and nothing is stopping anyone achieving their best here but them.

I don't think I've derailed on the issue of snobbery. I left another post the other day from someone else worried about how some of the stuff posted could potentially be running off investors. When in fact the opposite is probably true, that coupled with seeing how everyone feels they have to "fall" in line with everything said, it's like a echo chamber. Echo chambers don't sell good. The whole problem with the blockchain seems to be the problem of not being able to designate your followers into groups, if as you say everything is available to everyone. If people could designate certain material to the liking of certain groups and/or personal stuff like what they have in their garden or what sports they like this would alleviate that stuff going out into the community as a whole. Just like FB, you have friends, acquaintances, or the ability to share something personal with just one person or write in the people's names whom you want to exclusively share that with. It's a thought to keep thousands of pointless stuff flowing into the mainstream, I don't know how difficult that would be to set up but it's food for thought.

I think abuse is probably along the line of what you think it is, people who write comments that isn't reflective of anything written and/or you see that person/persons writing the same comment on a lot of post. People who write simplistic stuff then buy bots to make hundreds off it.
But abuse isn't or shouldn't be based on subject matter that someone else just plain doesn't like the subject. If someone writes a small article that makes a few pennies or a couple bucks commenting on sports, gardening, or some other subject one isn't into doesn't make it abuse. Like I've stated one man's junk is another man's treasure. You also have to realize that some people develop a blog relationship with some people, they will tend to take a look at that's person's material regardless of if it has any substantial value intellectually, that only strengthens the platform when people develop a strong following of various characters.

I don't know how difficult that would be to set up but it's food for thought.

This is what the Dapps do and will continue to do so, as well as Hivemind, communities and SMTs. the separation has been going on since the beginning but people spend their time in Steemit alone expecting it all to happen in an instant.

You also have to realize that some people develop a blog relationship with some people, they will tend to take a look at that's person's material regardless of if it has any substantial value intellectually, that only strengthens the platform when people develop a strong following of various characters.

If you think I haven't realised this you are mistaken. My entire blog is a discussion piece between people I have relationships with, whether I know them or not. Some join in the discussion, some don't, some use what they find to do something, some move along. Vale is never in the information, it is in the usage of it.

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