RE: What Does Decentralization Mean To Me?
I think there are definite ways forward, but in this saga,but before I get into that,I want to touch a little bit on the blockchain.
The main advantage on the blockchain is integrity of the data. Once a piece of data is on the chain,it cannot be changed or altered. It is there forever and anything added afterwards is built on it. So all of the facts concerning statements made by Steemit.com concerning the "ninja mined stake" are recorded on the blockchain and are unchangeable statements attributed to that entity. A change in ownership doesn't change the entity.
One thing I think everybody needs to realize, both Steemians and Justin's team, is that there is no such thing as a top 20. It is a fluid and ever changing group. Any proposals made should be addressed to the community at large. That is decentralization.
Decentralization is a tradeoff between efficiency and freedom. That being said, there are many instances in which decentralization offers more efficiency than centralization. Under a decentralized system, one can create a solution without approval from a central authority. The solution can then be adopted by individuals or not.
The problem I see with the current situation is that Justin seems to want guarantees and the people with whom he is speaking can't give it to him. Justin needs to present a plan to the rest of the Steemians including witnesses and non-witnesses. He is limited in his capacity to do this because he has a very very limited understanding of the Steem blockchain.
Here would be my way forward:
Beginning with pre-soft fork, turn witness voting off for all steemit inc accounts. Allow transference of steemit inc stake in accordance with a time table which prevents the dumping of liquid Steem on the market. Keep the powerdown time the same (this is in everybody's best interest).
During the time in between when the stake could be moved, people can convince Justin along with any other stakeholders as to why it is in their best interest to use their stake to support various initiatives.
I get what your saying about the top 20 and the “ninja minded stake” I am just not so sure the legal world would say it couldn’t be sold because it was. That deal had many lawyers working on it. That is why I want us to just move past this idea that Justin doesn’t own it. The chance that someone here is going to be able to prove that stake could never be sold or used to vote is going to be very hard. I get it Ned said he wouldn’t. But Justin is not Ned and not one is showing me signed papers. Also this idea their isn’t a top 20 is true and not true. Staked voting with many whales and the fact that many users don’t vote makes it hard to see them change. It does but it isn’t super liquid like you are saying.
Justin wants the current top 20 to say they won’t freeze funds again. He is asking for the people who did it to say they won’t again. Or at least that is what he asked.
As to your way forward. Don’t think it will work. There seems to be a lot of people who think Justin is okay with losing his voting power. To me he has made it clear he doesn’t want to. In his mind the big vote he has should not be used for normal governance. But he wants it there as a veto or a way to deal with witness that have left or don’t engage during a hard fork talk. He would I. Theory just move up the guys in the next spots up past the missing person. He also doesn’t want to just sell it. He might if we can’t move forward but your ask puts all the power to make changes back into the guys that froze his funds once already. I don’t see why he is expected to trust him at this point.
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It wasn't that Justin didn't own it, but that Steemit Inc. has obligations for it. The promise wasn't made by the individual @Ned, it was made by Steemit Inc. When a business is purchased, all obligations come with it. He can't have the Stake without the liability.
So what would your presentation be to the community?
What you are presenting wrt to the voting rights is centralized power. Many investors (practically all of them) invested in Steem stake with the understanding of that promise. Reneging on that will basically kill Steem as all the biggest stakeholders will leave. At that point, Justin will likely move ahead with his stated goals of moving Steem to tron and killing the blockchain.
The witnesses are liquid in terms of this: Justin could remove his sock accounts in an instance and then re-install them in the following instant. The centralized system you you gave is an example of this.
You get that is the way this place will always be with staked voting and 30 votes? I mean even today the top witness only has 20k accounts voting for him. It is hard to say how many users are on steem but I don’t think that is close to all of us if it is then wow we are a small group. Steem INC did not make those promises forever imo. So when a new owner comes in he can stake how he plans to use that stake. At that point you can fork if you want and have the support and skills to do that. Or if your a normal smaller user like me then you stick with what the top guys want. Just like I have had to do for the last few hard forks. I don’t see it all that different.
The community needs to make a decision first. Do you understand the Steemit INC stake belongs to Justin Sun and he has the right to stake how he will use the stake he bought?
If the answer is no. And you feel you can put conditions on his stake based on statements of the former CEO and people at the company. Then all you can do is fight. You won’t have my support but maybe you can win.
If you can say yes then the way forward is to state that you agree to not freeze the Steem INC stake. To listen to Justin’s plans and then vote on his ideas. You can voice anything you would like to see him do with the stake. If enough of the top stakes do something like this Justin should then remove his witness. At that point whoever is in the top 30 should start to work with steemit INC towards HF 23. We should set up votes for the different ideas that have been put forward. Witness should come out in support or against HF 23 and we should stake that Justin can’t vote on this. Then we got which way the community wants. That is what I would say is the way out of this.
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