A reason why we can't see further.
7 years ago in #flatearth by flatvsround.com (37)
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How about these two:
What happened to all these things when you guys were asking how things sometimes look like they disappear over the horizon but then can come back into view with a better zoom lens?
How come I can't see China (or the clouds of smog and dust on China's side of the Pacific) on a clear day, with a telescope?
I do believe the meme above covers your second point. Your first point, can you go into more detail? I don't follow which side you're making.
A common claim flat-Earthers make about ships sailing over the horizon is that they're just disappearing from view due to perspective, often they "prove" that by zooming in on a ship that seemed to have disappeared and bringing it back into view. That's forgetting that, with how many factors that can make distant objects harder to see, the ships can simply not be over the horizon yet. So I'm annoyed to then also see a flat-Earther using those same factors as their excuse for why things over the horizon aren't visible.