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RE: @fulltimegeek Supports Free Speech
Free speech is worth defending in my estimation yet in the case of the post which you are refering to it seems not as cut and dried as that, @lyndsaybowes.
We have @fulltimegeek, on one hand, supporting a poster's right to throw around derrogatory terms like "spics" yet downvoting @berniesanders for calling the poster out as a racist. It seems like a case of selective free speech defence to me, or worse a bias to @berniesanders because of issues that he and @fulltimegeek are having at the moment. This brings me back to my opinion of most flagging wars being nothing more than glorified pissing contests.
Nope. You have your facts wrong.
This whole dispute between Bernie and FTG started, and continues to be about @fulltimegeek making a stand against Bernie flagging the high heavens out of people who say words to him, that he doesn't like. Words like "no one cares about your project".
Fulltimegeek has always been about that. Even when he was standing against Haejin, the reason why was because of Haejin's blind flagging of users that were just speaking words he didn't like.
This whole latest smear by Bernie about this "racism" is only his latest attempt to skew the facts, and to muddy the waters.
If you want more scoop, just message me.
I'm not asking for you to be involved, just informed.
So then why is Fulltime upvoting derogatory content. If this is really about Bernie and Fulltime then surely fulltime can make his point without propping up blatant racists and ethnicists.
Both of them are free to vote as they wish but I'd like an explanation for upvoting derogatory content.
You have not even tried to inform yourself. Maybe read through the comments here, and my replies, your questions have already been answered @esecholo. But it's easier to just listen to rumours, than to actually read and inform yourself, right?
"listen to rumors"
Looks at chain and sees upvoting racists
I dont get what benefit comes from upvoting such content.
It's over now. Thanks for visiting.
https://steempeak.com/theadventuresoflilbeanie/@lyndsaybowes/the-adventures-of-lil-beanie-book-2
Lol, dodge.
Yep, you missed the show, the "house lights" are on and everyone's gone home lol :)
Still doesnt answer my question 🤷♂️. Sure, keep belittling.
My comments were meant for only the case in point of the potentially racist post. Using "spics" to denote spanish folks is no difference than using "nigger" to donote a black person in my opinion. Whether the poster is aware of it or not, it is a racist term. On that point @berniesanders is correct in my opinion.
@fulltimegeek has my agreement to support even a racist's right to free speech (as well as my witness support btw), yet such a position should support @berniesanders' right to call him out as a racist. On my visit to the post FTG had flagged Bernie's comments in that regard. This leads me to feel a bias of FTG to Bernie in this instance; be it right or wrong.
FTG is flagging allllll Bernie's comments and has since the beginning of this dispute (like for 2 months now, good grief). It is a tactic he is using to 'win'.
What is he trying to win: Getting Bernie to stop Nuking people's blogs and comments because he didn't like some words they said to him: not even aggressive words, he freaked out over someone telling him: "No one cares about your project" and flagged all of their oldest posts and comments.
It's a worthy cause.
I know I'm sure sick of seeing Steemians being chased off by bullies.
I'm willing to stand my ground on this.
Like I said previously, this racism card is only Bernie's sad attempt to cast our attention away from the true reason of this dispute between himself and @fulltimegeek. Though it is a worthy conversation to have, free speech vs. being a supporter of the speech that was said.
As for why I'm so passionate about this dispute right now, my friend @lozzmon, who I had tried pretty determinedly to get to join our blessed blockchain, finally joins, and on his first day here, has all of his posts flagged by @berniesanders.
Only because the posts by @lozzmon had been resteemed by @fulltimegeek.
Now, thank goodness @lozzmon has balls of steel and is sticking around. Most people would have quit right away.
If you think @berniesanders using "human shields" is cool, we have a difference of opinion @novacadian.
It's exactly the kind of BULLY behaviour I'm trying to stop.
This is my blockchain too. I have a say how this will be.
It's time to stand up to bullying.
It's just that the example cited here under the "free speech" banner IS bullying, and for a much more sinister reason.
I think your point would be better made with a different example.
This example is what is going on right now though.
This 'racism card stuff' started because the #fulltimebots are set to counteract and heal any comment or post that @berniesanders flags, with his accounts, or his bot accounts.
Bernie started flagging the 'racist' user a few days ago, knowing the #fulltimebots would go automatically to upvote.
Then he did his big post on how he busted @fulltimegeek for promoting 'racism'.
Does this make sense? I can elaborate more if not.
Yes, but - if it was just that the bots did it? No one would care (well, except Bernie). But that he saw with his own eyes, and commented on it, that though he disagrees, he will try and counteract flags, that make it worthy of discussion, which is what you asked us to do.
Even IF the timeline suggests that it was a setup for the bots, he made the executive decision to leave those votes in place and defend the guy from flags in the future.
Yes, it started as the bots, then @fulltimegeek decided not to remove his counter votes on bernie's downvotes, because, the 'racist' user, is staying on her own page. She is not attacking others with her racist words on others' posts and comments.
@fulltimegeek stated right in my screenshot in this post, he would be gone in a heartbeat if she does that.
For all we know, fulltimegeek may be the only one who can reach this lost soul. His way, may change hers. She gets hatred back for her hatred, never ... what FT did there in my screenshot.
Here, this video is relevant to what I'm trying to say. It's framed in terms of American politics, but give it a watch.
And PS, sorry I misgendered the racist earlier, I missed that her profile said "American Woman." I actually already had her muted,so she must have been posting such stuff before.
No, @lyndsaybowes, using human shields is not cool by me; yet that was not the framing of the original issue of the racist's post. It validates my theory that the flagging of Bernie's comment, calling out the racist, was due to a bias to Bernie. That's cool now that we have called it what it is, a flag war between two individuals, and not a free speech issue.