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RE: Lets talk border walls...

in #freewrite5 years ago

I can understand your frustration @geekpowered. I also don't like Trump. I really don't think conceding to a border wall will help anything however. There is no reason to think the authorities would scale back any of the atrocities you mention if we had a wall. I really think we'd just add a wall to the list along with the guns and drones and thugs in helicopters. In fact it may even embolden these sort of things.

Moreover a huge portion of the population is already imprisoned compared to anywhere else on this mud ball. The United States tops the charts for incarceration in both absolute and relative metrics. An alarming portion of those prisoners are in for profit prisons too. If you think those people are not having their labor exploited every day just like the people on this side of the barbed-wire fence, think again.

We already live in a police state. These things were going on long before 2016. We need a hell of a lot more than just impeachment.

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Yeah, that video of the pastor is from 2009. He's far from the only one that such things have happened to as well. There's also a ton of incidents involving police doing the same thing. Police are slightly more likely to get a backlash when they randomly search though. Most people don't even know that you have the right to say no to a search though. They agree to a search because they are faced with that imposing authority figure with a gun.

Unfortunately for the pastor, the border patrol doesn't even act on the restraints the police do. I doubt if most of them even know that you are allowed to say no to a search, because they are used to operating on the border, where such rights haven't been upheld for a long while. Border patrol and TSA have in essence been established to conduct unreasonable searches, without warrants or probable cause.

If someone is crossing the border or flying into the country and they have reasonable cause to search them, then they should...but that's not what they do. They do "random" searches in addition to searching every bag with electronic means. They even plan on installing massive scanners at every border entry that will search every car or truck, regardless of if they have probable cause.

They are completely unlikely to scale any of this back. There's not enough that are against it. And even if there were, they'd just keep screaming terrorists until they relented because they made it out like they are against America or some shit.

And yeah, a huge portion of the population is in prisons, and we do put them to work for pennies on the dollar...but if they arrested everyone that committed a crime worthy of arrest, we would all be in prison. Then they would likely have to come up with better work programs, because many people's labour is worth far more than the worthless jobs they make them do for pennies.

None of this started with this administration, or even Obama, or even Clinton. I would say it got worse under all of them in different ways. I don't know that I can point to any time in history that it started. It's pretty much always been this way in one form or another. Power corrupts and the state enforces.

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