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RE: *You walk through a door, what do you see?*
So much here. And I do think that our parent's generation made it because they didn't see another way.
And then again, the idea of this monogamous marriage that lasts forever is fairly new - especially the idea that the partners should fulfill all each other's needs...
I know. Really was an exploration, perhaps an argument among those different voices/desires/realities/socialization's which exist in my own psyche.
I understand the idea of impossibility in being fulfilled in all ways by another, but in my mind, I would be lying if I said I wouldn't like to find another who believes similarly and that some things do belong and flourish just b/n the two.
After all, if I can do it, why can't another?
True - and you might find it. Those kinds of relationships do exist. But I do believe that they take a lot of work - or willingness to work with each other to last for a long time.
I'm a very hard worker ;)
@mariannewest, that is so good you mention that. It's a contradiction between our roots as Christians (even when we do not believe in the figure God but we are still very much influenced by the christian doctrine) and our ancestral pagan heritage. The wife struggles with the witch :) - I actually like them both.
source: https://escholarship.org/content/qt1s43k5g9/qt1s43k5g9.pdf
I am glad that you are pointing out the Christian roots. So many people believe that our idea of marriage, especially the argument that marriage is between one man and one woman, is based on the bible. While it is true that the bible is a representation of a patriarchic society, the model, if any, was polygamy. Also, the idea of faithfulness and celibacy for the clergy was introduced just a few hundred years ago.
Marriage was a clear contract to protect property and had little to do with expressions of sexuality. And even once faithfulness and until death does us part was introduced, just by the nature of the times (lots of people died - especially women during childbirth) the average commitment was about 10 years...
And thanks for the info about the Na. I had heard about them and forgotten ...
You are welcome. Thanks for replying.
I do find the commitment "a life long" insofar reasonable as the circumstances in communities made this necessary or still do so.
Same was, like you point that out, in historical times the case. That humans attached some cultural and even deeper meanings to that commitment I actually do like. In order to not only emphasize what is needed but also what one connects spiritually to it. Without being overly excited about it. Don't know if you catch what I want to say ...
Also, the expression of "brothers and sisters" keeps a distance in a good way towards the characteristics of marriage and points more towards a community of people, as we humans could see ourselves as brothers and sisters without blood bounds. Same with children.
Celibacy, actually, I find really interesting as an idea to keep away from worldly matters (having no sexual relationships, no competition in mating matters, etc.) to educate oneself and learn about the teachings of ethics. It acts as a counterpart to average life. I refer to the Buddhist monks and nuns who also do not possess any money. The pureness of the one place contrasts the impurity of another place.
Of course, celibacy does not make sense when a celestial person possesses worldly goods and treasures. Which then must be protected from stealing and which financial resources one must spend a lot of time with to manage and distribute them. These are actually deeply worldly matters and more so economics. This is probably one of the bad images the institutions of churches carry and what else is connected to their history as well.
I like to integrate my christian heritage and keep looking what else is in the world as well. What is also said through religion is not to the worst when I keep searching for the stuff which supports me in loving myself and others.
... Well, that got long. :)
Long but good. I agree that keeping a community is very important and making assumptions from your name - you are in Germany where I think communities are still more intact than here in the States. Or maybe that is just my perception from growing up in a small town there and when I go back, so many people are still there...
celibacy as a personal choice - fine. As a requirement - terrible idea as we see with all the scandals the Catholic church is dealing with right now.
I am going to stop now 😄 have to get a couple of things done. But nice talking to you