Is Living Forever a Good Idea?

in #immortality6 years ago

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The idea of living forever has, it seems, intrigued us humans, well, forever. But no one seems to consider what that would be like. I mean, there are 7 billion of us, give or take a few, on the planet now. We can’t feed them all, nor can we ensure that the wealth of the planet is distributed in a fairer way.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/04/03/silicon-valleys-quest-to-live-forever
I found this article and there are three broad avenues of research it seems; the first and most bizarre is to find a way for us to become immortal. Bizarre because, as a global society, we’re not ready for that. We’re not ready to deal with 7 billion people living forever. But then of course immortality would not be for all of us, because only the top 10% would be able to afford it.

What then would the rest of us do? Would anarchy not ensue as the gap between the “have’s and the have not’s” widen? If some magic pill were discovered today that would in effect grant immortality, how many members of your family would you buy the pill for? Would you buy it for your best friend? Your business partner?

How would you deal with the progress of technology? What would happen if a global war hit? Would you fight for your right to be immortal? Even though that may mean dying? Would you fear accidents? The longer you live, the more chance there is of being killed in a freak accident.

Immortality, then, is not such a simple thing; it’s something to strive for perhaps, but not to achieve until as a society we’re ready for it.

But what about living to 200 or 500? Would that be better? Obviously, you’d be working for well over a hundred years (if you lived to be 200, more if the average age were 500). How long would you be in school? For women the question is tied up with how long they’re fertile. If you lived until around 200, when would you have your first child?

Much of the research is around lifestyle, diet, and exercise, so is in reach of us all. But again, what would that mean for society? Would there be the same impetus to succeed, to do, to reach, if you knew you had between two and five hundred years to achieve anything?

As for immortality the same questions remain; are we, as a society, ready for much longer life spans? We certainly don’t have the infrastructure to cope with the increase in population, unless of course, we restrict procreation, which is a whole different discussion!

The final area of research is not so much about longevity as it is about being healthy for the 100 years or so more of us are reaching these days. The aim is to get us to a point where we live healthy active lives and then let everything wind down in a short time span at the very end of our lives.

If our lifespan is, let’s say, 120 years (today it’s around 81 in UK and 78 in the US), we’d live 115 years healthy active and productive. Then, in the last 5 years, we’d wind down, finally going on to the next great adventure around the 120-year mark.

At the moment, we live longer, but not healthier, so we spend 20/30 years sometimes where we’re not well, not fit, not active and need care.

This last model sounds good, doesn’t it? Living longer and being healthy and active, thus not needing to be cared for by either family or the state. But still we’d need to make changes in how we, as a society, function.

For example, the Bible tells us that we have three score years and ten to live, around 70 years. Traditionally here in the UK, men worked until they were 65 and women, 60. Those ages have been shifted upwards to 66 for both men and women, aiming to reach 67 by 2028.

Average life expectancy now is 81 and retirement age is 66 so an average of 15 years retirement. If, by 2028, life expectancy is around 100, that’s 32 years of retirement. If that happens, who will pay the taxes to support an aged top-heavy population?

According to the Office of National Statistics we already have a situation where three quarters of the population are older than the median age of 40.

The question of whether we aim for immortality, extreme life extension or a healthy and active old age brings up some important points. Not the least of which is cost; whether that’s the cost of treatment to extend life beyond 120 years, or the cost of supporting an ever-increasing retired population.

But there are others, like at what age we do actually retire, how much tax we pay to the government to care for us in whatever way we need (pension, health care, housing) when we’re retired. Or the changes society needs to make to how it values us at different ages; we live in a youth culture, where all things youthful are good and all things age-related are not. That’s a simplification I know but serves to point out the difference.

Then there’s what we do to earn our daily crust, even if we only go with the last option, living a healthy active life until around 120, the chances are that we’ll need to radically change how we look at our careers.

Technological advances are happening at an exponential rate and to be competitive in the world we as individuals and as a society need to keep up. Re-education, then, will be important.

Artificial Intelligence and Robotics are predicted to take over many jobs; from driving a lorry to giving legal advice, getting diagnosed by AI or having robot carers in the home. It’s likely that we’ll need to be educated in how to enjoy time away from work, to define ourselves by what we enjoy doing rather than what we get paid to do.

The opening question when meeting new people would change from “What do you do for a living?” to “What do you enjoy doing the most?”.

How do you answer the question “Is living forever a good idea?”

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/february2016

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/ageing/bulletins/estimatesoftheveryoldincludingcentenarians/2002to2015

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In order for me to live close to 100, I am 55 now, I would need a heart replacement. I was diagnosed a few years ago with heart failure and take medication that keeps me alive. So this brings up the question of organ repleacements. Will organs need to be replaced over time like worn parts in a car? Will replacement organs come from donors, grown specially or through 3D printing or some other means?

Sorry the hear about your condition.

Ultimately the most important organ, the brain, can't be replaced and fixing brain deterioration e.g. alzheimers is the next step. The brain needs to be able to last forever to live forever. Other organs though I believe can be grown it's just ethics that are stopping it atm as scientists could easily clone a human and then take the clones heart or any other feature.

I agree, replacement limbs and arteries plus many other things to consider before longevity.

Global lifespan is not that high, this refers to Western world, some Asian and small islands have people reaching 120 years with grace.

The world would need to make massive adjustments to extend life in this manner, most countries do not have institutions able to look after people in old age.

More older people working longer, less young folk able to find employment. The need for plumbers, electricians, farmers, personally I don't see AI taking over everything in a hurry.

Living to 200 plus, no thanks, not unless you really have everything in place to keep going on without eating from the garbage. An interesting article and some food for thought.

Agreed, I chose US and UK because I live in UK, have family in US and find it interesting that the US has a shorter life expectancy. Blue Zones are interesting too as people regularly live to a very ripe and still active age. Personally I don't think we're any where near ready for this sort of life extension, neither as a society or as individuals. Pension age has risen in the UK and people are very cross that they have to work a few more years, imagine how they'd moan if they had to work until they were 80!!!!

To what age would formative years be, start working at 35 to 85? Our bodies are timed, our timer has only has so many heart beats.

IMHO - Some will long longer than others, it all comes down to quality and not quantity at the end of a day.

I really enjoyed your post. One proposed explanation of how we may achieve a true state of conscious immortality (Elon Musk) is to upload our consciousness into a cloud based network. Really far out concept, and unnervingly, realistic in my humble opinion (considering the exponential advances in technology) I don't believe we would see a world wide initiative, simply because I do not believe the vast majority will be comfortable with the idea. I could be wrong. Brainwashing is an effective implementation. I personally would not want to take part of something I don't feel we should touch. It's a moral argument for me. I have been studying this artificial intelligence race, and I recently posted a vlog discussing what my research has covered, some in depth analysis of the fundamental aspects of AI, and the moral implications. If your interested, it will consume about a half hour of your time. Thank you for this.

That's the question !

Great Question, but no one will live forever

The scientific problem is that the telomere ends in your chromosomes get shorter in every cell division until they finally wear out completely. As of today there is no solution to this problem which is why longer life is impossible (at the moment).

Quality of life should take precedence over quantity of life.

Immortality with forever youth? Or just forever youth? I'll take it for $2000, Alex.

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