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RE: So you believe in Communism?

I look forward to the day when only historians, archeologists, and anthropologists debate the relative merits of economic systems, because non-point source production has rendered them all obsolete.

Even capitalism is not freedom, and also necessarily has elements of socialism. Freedom from the tyranny of stake will come with freedom of want, and I expect that time will bring freedom of place - the entire universe is at our feet, untrodden.

We will be truly free one day, or at least our posterity will.

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Even capitalism is not freedom, and also necessarily has elements of socialism.

That depends. For me capitalism simply means free market. There is no socialism in that. Yet governments step in and give favors to some, block others, or people decide they are going to try to use their wealth/capital to force others. At those points I no longer consider it truly capitalism.

If the government and these "capitalists" are colluding then it becomes more fascism, and if it leads to corporations dictating the laws of the government then that can even be called corporatism.

Yet at it's roots capitalism if you view it as free market does not require any socialism.

Since capitalists can be singularly focused on financial gain, markets which don't have some mechanisms to prevent collusion and other forms of corruption quickly become something other than free markets too.

Given the need to some kind of enforcement agency, mechanisms, and taxes to pay for such governance, all of which I consider socialism to greater or lesser degrees, I don't see that truly free markets are possible without socialist aspects.

If you and I were to make trades, that could be a truly free market, as it would preclude all of the problems I mention. Broader public markets can't though I think.

Capitalism has nothing to do with free markets o.O Both are two independend concepts!

Ever heard of Laisez Faire Capitalism. ;)

Nobody said you could not combine those two concepts. But they are definitely not the same!

Depends on who you talk to. To many that IS capitalism. Do other things and it requires a modifier such as crony, etc.

Which the concept of applying a modifier is not unique to capitalism either. Crony can just as easily be applied to socialism and communism and in truth if I were to blame the failing of any of these systems on something it would be that single modifier.

Yet only one of those systems does not start out at the outset already having a crony situation (favored by those that govern, direct).

So now when I say capitalism without a modifier. I speak of Free Market. You've read enough of my works over the years that this is no the first time I have stated that.

Why do I state it?

Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, etc all have different subjective meanings in the persons mind. So personally I have found that providing clarity on your definition when you are speaking of something is important.

Neither you, nor I can force our version upon the other. All we can do is share it. So when a person who wrote something defines what the term means to them then you deciding to base it upon what it means to you will not really accomplish much. Though you sharing what it means to you has value.

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