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RE: BAN FIREWORKS, THE STRESS THEY CAUSE ANIMALS IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY.
there are many parents out there today who struggle with drinking problems, it can cause A LOT OF STRESS for their children and families, I know personally just how bad it can be..., not to think of the many thousands of societal problems it causes with broken families, violence, and a myriad of other bad decisions being made... maybe we should ban drinking? what do you think?
after all, if you want to ban things that cause people stress... alcohol and drinking problems cause people LOTS OF STRESS 👍? traffic also causes a LOT of stress.. lets ban cars shall we? ...where should we draw the line?
The difference between those is that they don't have to be harmful. Those are also choices we make to put ourselves in that danger. Animals don't often have the choice to just run away or avoid things like fireworks, I have had a rabbit die from a heart attack due to fireworks from the neighbors, she had no choice in that. A man that drinks and becomes an alcoholic made that choice.
alcohol is harmful by nature 👍People have a choice and you don't need to have a dog, do you? You choose to, and because you do you want to limit the freedom of others so that dog can be comfortable is what you are proposing.
Have you ever had a cat before? Cats really don't like vacuums. Should we ban vacuums so that they can be more comfortable and not get stressed out ?? Not all dogs are also going to equally react to the fireworks, I think it's just nonsense to call for banning things which is another way of saying limit people's freedoms, how do you think that is going to go? sooner or later you'll end up with big government problems like we have today...wonder how we got there :)
If you want to BAN THINGS to make for a more peaceful environment for dogs, then the same argument can absolutely be made for banning a variety of things, including drinking, music, perfume?, lets just ban anything and everything because there's probably someone somewhere that's going to get offended and stressed out by it.
fireworks have been used for centuries.... I think the dogs will survive smdh.
I don't choose to have a dog, I choose to rescue wild animals injured by human intervention such as being caught in fences due to fear from the sound of fireworks.
I also at no point have said we should ban them, that was the original poster. I believe people should be educated and do it responsibly, most fireworks are set off in densely populated areas resulting in unnecessary stress and harm as opposed to say in a field miles and miles away.
Harm minimization is done with things like cars and alcohol, eg they enforce seatbelt laws and drink driving quite strictly, so I dont see why it cant be implemented in the case of fireworks.
In the issue of limiting freedoms we already do that in a myriad of ways, being allowed to use fireworks is probably one of the least important freedoms I can think of, especially when half the time you can't even speak freely.
looks like what you like to do is play semantics
i dont agree that people should have violence infringed upon them when they haven't done anything wrong, if roads were privatized then seat belt laws and drinking rules might look quite different.. rather than people being randomly cherry-picked and having their natural rights infringed upon when they haven't done anything wrong in the way of violating private property yet.. So i'm not going to champion such rules that are a result of coercion and force rather than voluntary contract and agreement, I don't think we should steer guidelines over fireworks in that direction, no. Just because we already limit freedoms DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT, and I am not a fan of such tyranny...hence the name doitvoluntarily
What are "natural rights"?
They might look quite different but then again they wouldn't affect anyone outside of the property, fireworks do. regardless of the animals why should I have to hear you making loud bangs outside my house all night, and if it is so your choice to do so then should it be my right to make you stop, by force if necessary?
natural rights are inherent and don't require the permission of anyone else, they are an extension of our being. The freedom to speak, to move etc, though we see that they can be infringed upon that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have the freedom to do such things. Where our rights stop is where the property of another person begins, once you violate the property of someone else you aren't exercising any rights. Ex, Does everyone in the world need to agree to my right to free speech before I can attempt to speak freely? I don't require their permission, though they can attempt to infringe upon those rights as we've seen.
the free market doesn't offer a blueprint for how it would deal with every single problem that might arise in life. But i suspect that freedom could find a solution a lot quicker rather than leaving it up to some central group with a monopoly on coercion. If some private community for example wanted to all agree on banning fireworks then who cares..
We are thinking about our dogs and own concerns but what about those in the firework industry? what about those jobs? all of the people who sell them during the holidays and rely on the money that they make from it? what about those investments that people have made? what about all of the children and families who enjoy celebrating special occasions with fireworks, we are to deny them that standard of living, that enjoyment, fireworks are really to become a thing of the past, just because the dogs get upset?....that's the future we want to advocate for? I certainly don't. After all, it would need to be an all-out-ban to satisfy the dogs wouldn't it? You couldn't just say set them off during certain hours or at certain locations, because surely enough you wouldn't find any location that didn't have at least one dog nearby. It's not that I cannot recognize or care about the struggle that the dogs are going through, our family has a dog and he hates it and endures plenty of stress when fireworks go off..and yet I still don't want to get the government involved... plenty of voluntary solutions have been considered for this problem: comfort vests and wraps for dogs, owners giving them melatonin, or distracting them with tasty food, some blogs even suggest ignoring them altogether so that you don't reinforce their anxiety, the answer doesn't have to be more government. Because what you are essentially saying is someone should be killed over fireworks, because that is the ultimate consequence of what could happen if they violate and continually resist the enforcement of a firework ban.✌
But there's an option with fireworks they could make them without the bang which would solve a big problem