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RE: Why it's Not the Boys in the Above Picture Who Grow Up to be School Shooters
So are you saying that the United States Government's entire workforce is mentally ill? Surely you are just inept and unable to grasp the larger concepts at hand, because that would be pretty absurd to claim.
So your problem is with comprehension?
"It's the maladjusted and mentally ill that commit these crimes."
The United States enacts genocide, assists genocide, and kills its own people in an elaborate attempt to gain more money and power. So, are you saying that the US Government are all mentally ill? Yes or no?
Of course. All coercive governments are. Was that not clear?
Read my other posts in response to schatten, then get back to me. Thanks.
Yes.
The answer is "No". The problem with the question and the person whom I am responding to, is that they're scapegoating the "mentally ill" as the enemy and further persecuting a minority of people that deserve and require extra help from the rest of us. The point I am making here is that the culture war of which your original post is centered around is propaganda from the rich and powerful corporations and governments that are trying to keep us distracted while they commit atrocities around the globe.
"Mentally Ill" people are not the problem. We should all collectively focus our ire against the rich and powerful who run the world, and engaging in a pointless scapegoating culture war is exactly what they want to have happen.
I consider people in the government to be sociopaths. That’s classified as a mental illness, or am I wrong?
(I can be.)
It may or may not be classifiable as such, but it does more harm than good to scapegoat the "mentally ill" when 99% of the time they are just another marginalized group of people in need of help. You should create a new category called "evil sons a bitches" and put the corporate warlords and school shooters in there instead.
I actually get your point, and I think it’s a valid one. Upvoted for that reason.
Thanks, I appreciate the discourse. I can pick apart the pro-gun garbage posted in the comments section here some other time or on another post as well, but for now I must tend to other things ;)
Out of curiosity how do you feel about the actual hate-mongering and abuse that this thread has caused by one of your supporters? (not putting you on blast or anything, just genuinely curious how you feel about censorship and assaulting minorities)
Are you familiar with the Halls of Power theory? Perhaps the name has been muddied in my memory, but it was a theory popularized (and then suddenly silenced) a few years ago. It was a Social Psychology theory about how sociopaths are attracted to modern political power structures, perhaps ancient ones as well, and that there is a startling prevalence of sociopathy in government both from the nature of the job - forcing people to do things and to view a larger, less personal picture of how society runs - and from this natural attraction. For quick reading: https://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2013/04/25/the-disturbing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership/#43818a754104
Tangential to this discussion, but perhaps of interest to you.
Are people who commit mass murder not mentally ill people?
I wouldn't put the blame on "evil corporations," but I would absolutely fault the coercive state and the many sociopaths who comprise it.
I'm not sure how your point and my point are actually different here. Coercive governments and the things that they promote as "normal" and "good for society" are mostly bullshit. This is precisely why we have sick/depressed societies. I am not blaming mentally ill people. I'm blaming the society that creates mental illness in people who would otherwise be normal, functional adults - if not for the lifetime of bullshit laws and politics, fueled by politicians' and bureaucrats' perverse views of morality and their ignorance of economics/human behavior.
I'm not blaming the mentally ill for being mentally ill. I'm simply stating that it takes a mentally ill person to commit mass murder, and then offering my opinion about why many of them are mentally ill in the first place.
I'm not sure what you're reading, but it's apparently not the same thing that I'm writing. Or it's just a problem with comprehension.
My problem is strictly with your usage of the term "mentally ill" because it's nothing more than a scapegoat and an excuse. There is no excuse for mass murder, it's just being evil. Saying that "murderers are mentally ill" plants the seed in peoples' minds that "mental illness = bad, murderer, scary", etc. which does much, much, much more harm than good, especially considering mentall illness affects most people, in America at least, throughout at least a small portion of their lives (depression, anxiety, for example). You should drop that they are "mentally ill" and focus on their specific issues that are causing the problems you perceive.
For example, if a politician votes to enact genocide, blame their corruption and greed for profit and power, not a "mental illness" that may not even exist in the first place. All that language does is divide people at the bottom.
I'm saying that it takes a mentally ill person to commit mass murder. I'm not saying that mentally ill people will become mass murderers. There is a difference.
Did I not do that in my original comment?
So, a politician that "votes to enact genocide" is not a mentally ill person?
Not at all. It's the ridiculous "Don't correctly identify them!" that is the problem. Politicians and their supporters who believe that it's perfectly acceptable to violently force non-aggressive individuals to do things against their will are, in fact, mentally ill people. They are the bullies and the murderers that you continue to blame for society's problems, are they not? Should we call them sane and normal instead, so as not to offend another person who may have some other form of mental illness?
This is absurd. I'm not going to pussy-foot around a word or a topic because of a comprehension issue. You may choose to do that, but it's not my thing. Words have meanings.
Words have meanings, and you're refusing to acknowledge those meanings in a broader context and are also choosing to perpetuate a hateful stereotype of mentally ill people that gets them killed and makes them suffer from isolation. This does nothing good for anyone involved.
No, a politician can vote for genocide and still not be mentally ill, just evil. Evil and mental illness are not the same thing, and the sooner people like you understand that, the sooner the stupid culture war that breeds school shootings can be put to an end.
This isn't correctly identifying anybody, this is painting people with a broad brush because you don't like them. Just because you don't like somebody, doesn't make them mentally ill. What do George W. Bush and some random person off the street with social anxiety have in common? Nothing. Stop pretending like they're one in the same.
This isn't language policing, this is educating people on how to correctly identify what problems are and to stop scapegoating innocent people and perpetuating a culture of propaganda. You're doing precisely what they want and you're too blinded by the emotional desire to say mean words to realize it.