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RE: America Has A Culture Problem, Not a Gun Problem
Whilst a lot of what you say is true, the availability of guns is directly related to the number of mass shootings. In the UK almost all firearms were banned after a couple of mass shootings and there has not been one since. The same goes for Australia. Every democratic government has to balance freedom against security. And I think that the fact that you can be on a no fly list as a suspected terrorist, yet still have the right to buy and carry a gun to be slightly misaligned priorities.
False, you just made that up.
How frequent were they prior to that?
False, they have had mass shootings there and of course studies of their mandatory gun buybacks found that their draconian laws did not cause any reduction in homicides suicides or mass shootings. In fact gun homicide rates in the US fell more than those in Australia following their ban.
THERE IT IS! In your sentence, and whenever you hear anyone making that statement the word "balance" really means "take away", every time. Here is America our founders warned us that those who would trade liberty for the illusion of security will have neither. Of course they were right. This shooting was in a gun free zone right? One of the only places in Florida where people cannot defend themselves, is that a coincidence?
Indeed, its absurd that we have secret lists of innocent Americans, mostly Muslims, isn't it? Democrats used to rightly oppose the idea of stripping Americans of civil liberties without any due process but then they decided that if gun rights were stripped then they really like the idea of stripping innocent, mostly Muslim people of basic civil liberties in secret and without and due process. Lets think about how you get on their secret lists, its by associating with the wrong people, saying the wrong things or going to the wrong mosque right? Or just having the wrong name right? So essentially exercising your first amendment right should strip you of your 2nd and 5th and 14th amendment rights? Democrats in the house think so, they protested against civil rights.
I can’t believe people are downvoting comments they disagree with. So much for free speech and land of the free etc!
I do t care for party politics but obviously you do. I just find it amazing that the country with the highest gun ownership has by far the worst gun problems, yet no one will accept that.
I don't know that I "care for party politics" but on this issue one party is right and the other is very wrong. We don't have the worst gun problems, that's silly. You seem to be consuming some of the anti gun propaganda that is very prevalent in the American media. Here are some charts that show the reality of the "gun problems" in America.
doesn't feel good to have your freedoms taken away huh? and now i await the downvote ...... :)
our problem lies in we have a culture that is inherantly violent because of the fact that our inner cities are decaying and noone inclusing the people living there want to fix it. If you go to any american inner city the people there have adopted the (Gangster) lifestyle and are perfectly happy living in government housing, slinging drugs and killing each other in any way they can. in fact in the USA more people every year die from being blugened to death than guns. Yes more people are beat to death with a hammer every year than are shot. People that die from being a fat piece of shit every year totally eclipse the numbers killed by guns. Hell you are more likely to die in a car accident than you are walking through a Detroit getto. (walking through a Detroit getto is not a good idea).
That is false. Countries like Switzerland and Cyprus have guns and bullets in every home. Yet, zero mass shootings. Again, that is a myth propagated by the liberal muricans.
Ok if this is true what is the solution? I have spent most of my life with guns and most of my career carrying them. Iam not some liberal who wants to strip you of your rights but someone who wants to enter an informed debate. There is obviously a problem here and you obviously oppose gun control, so how do you suggest the issue is tackled?
it will take some time. right now if you try to address anything and i mean anything that includes the african american community you are imediatly labeled a racist. Unfortunatly that is where most of our gun crimes exist. black on black violence in poor urban communities. Nothing can be done untill we all realize this. right now it is like sitting in a room with an addict trying to perform an intervention. We are in denial. That is not the total of what is going on. We still have the issue of the crazy white kid that is ussually the school shooter. A lot of the time they are from middle class families and in my opinion ( take that with a grain of salt) i believe a lot of these kids have been on medications for ADHD and are having a really hard time coping with reality. the difference between america and the rest of the world besides gun ownership is the fact that we drug the shit out of our kids at a much higher rate than the rest of the world to keep them docile. This effects the brain in a way that you never really learn good social behaviors because you are a damn zombie. i have seen it my whole life. I have had a lot of friends that were put on that trash and it really screwed them up, it also gave them suicidal thoughts and tendencies. Now mix that in with testosterone and being a teenager and you have now built a very volitile bomb. just my 2 cents so take it as you will but that is what i have lived and seen.
Here in Australia, the nutters chain up and burn down nursing homes and backpacker hostels.
Not 'Gun deaths' though, which is reassuring.
Exactly. You are always going to get nutters but nutters with guns kill tens of people in a few mins. It’s a lot harder for a nutter without a gun to kill so many!
Did you miss the part where he described how the nutters there like to burn down buildings full of people? they kill far more than the average mass shooting.
I’m afraid not. The Vegas killing total was 59. I do t think anyone has ever killed that many people intentionally with a vehicle.
Did you miss where I said "average"?
Your thoughts are of course wrong, did you forget about Nice?
Did you forget 9/11?
Did you forget Oklahoma City?
July 14, 2016 - After a Bastille Day fireworks display in Nice, France, a man drives a 20-ton rental truck into the crowd, striking and killing 86 people.
that is just one headline
Of course that fellow with a truck killed far more than anyone with any gun ever killed didn't he?
then nut jobs will build bombs or drive cars through crowds. crazy is crazy.
I think this goes to prove @kyriacos point that the guns aren't the problem but the culture is. And that they are simply the means to or the symptom of the problem. The countries you mention could have a similar cultural issue as does the USA. If you take away the guns they will find something else to use or another way of behaving in a similar fashion.
You got a downvote because you wrote and stupid comment that I made perfectly clear how it goes + you upvote your own comment. Shouting harder doesn't make it more true. Use objective evidence next time. Not whatever country suits you.
Unfortunately, the people who have been put on the "no fly list" are there for stupid reasons.
Like buying Mein Kampf because it was required reading for their daughter's class.
This was found out after suing for disclosure. Wasting a ton a money.
A secret list, that has tens of thousands of people on it, most unknowingly, is not something for denying somebody their constitutional rights.
Proposing legislation against the possession of a thing will never work and is a complete waste of time. Murder is already against the law and carries the worst punishment that can be carried out by the justice system. If the murderer is already ignoring that law then they will carry out their act by any means necessary, unlawful or not. How is making certain drugs illegal working out? If citizens are less armed than the government, tyranny is inevitable. There is no legitimate reason to disarm law abiding citizens unless you want them subjugated. People will own dangerous things in a free society. Take responsibility for your own safety and quit worrying about what everyone around you has. It takes courage to live in a free society. If you think the government should control people's individual freedoms, your Utopia awaits you in North Korea.