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RE: Downvoted? The Bidbot Cycle is Broken

in #newsteem5 years ago

Great work on explaining downvoting but I think there's a lot more than just curving bid bot use with downvoting.

I've been in discussions this week on a post made by xpilar due to me disagreeing with rewards given to some posts without leaving a comment. I think we all have a part to play as to why we downvote something and not just do it without leaving a comment.

Some users are still learning what this all means and I think it's in every steemian's interest to educate. Also, I don't agree with doing downvote trails as it is creating a negative environment at the moment due to the lazy nature of it and downvoting stuff you haven't read (and yes, the same can be said for following upvote curation trails).

Still at teething stage here but I expect things to settle in a couple of months.

As for the infographic, maybe you can try to put less text in the boxes with more succinct sentences. Also noticed you repeated one sentence in there about newsteem (the last sentence in the box on the lower left of newsteem and the first sentence in the text above it for point 3). Great effort on that though, thanks for taking the time to explain.

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I think if one person leaves a comment that is enough or if the author has done it on several posts and gets at least one comment.
Generally they learn what they did wrong very quickly and they are rarely confused after reading definitions of abuse.
Im just focusing on vote and bid abuse for now.

I will work on the infographic, it does have too much text. Thanks for the feedback.

I think it depends on the comment as well. Sometimes just saying "downvoted due to disagreement with rewards" isn't enough and giving some constructive criticism goes a long way, whilst still being encouraging of course. It's something I have learned this weekend.

There are many facets to this side of Steem for sure. Think the beginner's blog will be a challenging one to write and keep simple but will give it a shot!

You're welcome for the feedback

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It may sound silly, but if we have enough discussion and get enough posts about this topic, eventually we will have excellent posts to refer people who are still confused to. I hope with some work that's one function of my infographic. Hopefully it helps explain why bid-bot using is suddenly no longer acceptable after HF21 which si the point (it was alway controversial, there was just nothing to effectively stop it before).

You still havent stopped it all you do is ytax minnows. The larger bid bot users are not noticing anything and youre just hurting steemians. the end. Check back by years end when steem is almost1 penny tell me if all of this worked

steem isnt about content its about crypto dapps and users and whenyou dont have users doenst matter how many peopel you flag, you wont get any good content without more users, its a numbers game

you cant micromanage yourself into prosperity, its like tryin to play starcraft on n64, you cant try to play wackamole eitehr with black market bid bots split up behind many difefrent accounts all voting at random, oh yes this product is coming outa nd you cant stop paiud upvotes! youll be faced with REAL manual curation with someone using the posting keys of multipel accounts too

you just cant fight the free market, you guys are just doing what communisst tried to do lol, not that your communist but your doing this central planning thing or it has those vibes

also, you have to realize the SOCIAL reprocussiosn frpom downvoting bid botusers is not gonan be worth whatever benefit yoru expecting

steem IS social its social media, u cant just ignore that aspect and alienate everyone

Vote selling and buying only benefits the people involved in that. It's literally taxing on the reward pool for everyone else indirectly by taking up such a huge portion of it to promote often questionable content usually purely for profit.

Did you know you can make your own scot token and give it a try? With a few thousand you can get a webpage and a bid bot. I'm sure the bot owners could easily afford this considering they have millions of Steem.

However, only a few communities still do it. The rest stopped offering this service entirely after watching what it quickly did to their communities, the same happened on Steem just on a larger scale.

I think you should check out the token communities that still offer it. Maybe you will find these places more welcoming and in line with your ways of thinking.

We aren't fighting the free market.
You are free to buy and sell votes, no one is stopping you.
I am free to upvote and downvote whoever I want. It's called stakeholder activism and it's much more powerful than any unnatural restraint on the free market.
If it alienates people who refuse to adapt and accept the new steem consensus, so be it. We will be better off without these people.

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