First, I would not have any problem citing a source if I needed it.
Second the source is my niece, is there a problem with that?
If I'm not bad this drawing is my creation, mine, mine, all mine, from the tip of the foot to the hair, the positions I take from my relatives, I have to place pictures of them too?
Stop placing these messages in my publications.
and finally you are absolutely no one to come and force me to place things when you have no right because you are wrong.
@yanes94 - don't answer this fool. Out on a limb and trying to harass you, probably frustrated for getting banned from OCD Discord - the moderators there had enough of the stupidity.
By simply adding a ! in front of sources, anyone can trigger the sources bot.
In my Viennese slang, we have a saying, that translates to something like this: don't even bother to ignore it
I imagine that this guy is frustrated because nobody wants him, he feels alone and then he wants to annoy others.
I do not think it's just because they took him out of OCD that he's bothering me right now, but if, as you say, I think that enough problems are enough, so that someone else is stoking the flame more.
I love your saying! I am healed in health ehehheeh.
Oh! I answered him because he wrote me in the last two publications so I wanted to give him some love, but he did not correspond, maybe he does not want to be given sincere love.
Disappointed me! I will not respond more!
I think that people should be aware when making robots, so that they will be used and if they are using it correctly not for pleasure.
Giving this guy a robot is like giving a gun to a psychopath.
I do not see any similarity between the 2 artworks except that are both showing girls.. This is unbelievable, I thought that apart you brutal manners you were doing a good job researching. It is seems that you are good for nothing and just destroying the platform..
Thank you very much for your opinion, several art curators we consulted disagree with you and find it extremely similar.
And yes, we apologize for the truth being brutal and so inconvenient.
Here you have an overlay one of those art curators made, it shows the face is very close to identical. And hey btw, dont shoot the messenger! :)
Any face used for an overlay in this perspective would create similar results. Do a reverse image search on google and use any of the pictures found... If you replace the eyes with a kind of "light", you will produce even more hits.
I have spent years training my eye. I can judge a fraction of a millimeter and and a few percent in hue and/or saturation. This face is one of many, and there is as much or as little similarity as you would get from taking a photo of a crowd of a thousand people and overlaying the ones looking in the same direction.
I really would like to carry on this discussion with the mentioned curators. Not to argue with them, just out of curiosity of their own artistic potential and the accuracy of their eye.
I had thought, the discussion the other day had come to a reasonable conclusion. Most people around here would agree with you, that your mission per se is important, but it also seems a bit out of proportion. Taking it to such extremes could be just as bad for the platform as letting the real culprits getting away with what they are doing.
Btw... what is wrong with coloring a sketch or creating something based on a previous version of ones own artwork? Artists of all times have done it and you will find many examples in the top museums in the world.
I will be at Art en Capital in Paris next week. One of the most prestigious art shows in the world. I would be surprised, if I find even one hint of any source used on any of the works. In fact, it will most likely be the same at the Louvre, which I intend to visit again as I have, many times before.
So again, yes, by all means, fight abuse! But please, lets not be more papist than the pope.
Do a reverse image search on google and use any of the pictures found.
We concur with you that google reverse search is a mediocre tool, not to say shitty, but you must be aware that we use way more sophisticated tools, you can easily ascertain this by noticing that most of our finds, dont even come up in google reverse search. Just in case your next question is which tools are those, we are not gonna tell you which tools we use, for obvious reasons, just know that they are state-of-the-art (pun intended) tools with the latest technology.
I really would like to carry on this discussion with the mentioned curators.
Im sure you would like many things, as much as I would like many things, but many of the things we wish in life are not possible as you know, in the case of your particular wish you can find the reason in one of our latest post: https://steemit.com/abuse/@jaguar.force/jaguar-force-expands
Btw... what is wrong with coloring a sketch or creating something based on a previous version of ones own artwork?
There is nothing wrong with it, and if you read our message well, you will clearly see that is not what was said, I will paste it again so that perhaps this second time you are able to comprehend it:
why dont you mention in your post that you are basically coloring an old sketch?
As you see what its being asked is why the user did not mention it in the post, what is being questioned is the deceitful tactic of coloring an old sketch and making the audience believe its a new drawing by stating:
I had to take some time to paint this drawing because I can not afford to stop publishing because of my situation, so I painted this drawing in several parts every time I had a free moment to do it.
In no place of the posts there is the most minimum clue about this being the coloring and finishing of a previous "work of art". The reason is simple, the user is trying to make the minimum effort possible, and at the same time present the work -by intentionally omitting the fact that its a modified old sketch- as a new piece.
Your comments about all the prestigious art shows and most of your arguments, when boiled down seem to come down to the fact that a common attitude in the art world would seem to be: "Lie to me, I like it." or to go a bit further: "I love sausage, but please dont show me how its made because I wont be able to eat it again", or to go Matrix style: "Ignorance is bliss".
Once again thank you for your opinion and have a wonderful day sir.
It is very unfortunate, that I don't seem to be able to make you understand, that I agree with you on the basic issue.
The only thing, where I think we have a different opinion is the "principle of proportionality" and that is why I mention prestigious art events and such. Not to justify things. Only to put them in a different context and proportion. In fact, I despise the way the art market is today. There are literally billions of dollars moved around for stuff that is done with little or no effort. Again, I am the last one who would say it is right and totally agree with your last paragraph.
The (high end) art world today is in a sad state. And it is exactly that, why I wonder, why we have to make such a big ado about a person making a handful dollars with something she likes, and which might actually be an important part of her resources.
In my humble opinion, she didn't do anything wrong, as I don't believe she was deliberately deceiving anyone. If done well, oloring a drawing is a much bigger effort than a lot of things I see on steemit... even on trending for the art tag.
So yes, have a wonderful day too. I really mean it :-)
I think we are beginning to come to an initial understanding of what is the position of the other, which is reasonable since the native language of neither of us is English, you are from Germany if Im correct and Im from Venezuela. What at first appeared to be a situation of extremely opposed views is starting to look more and more as a difference of nuances.
That being said, I believe that, -coming back to you for your inappropiate nazis comment earlier in our conversation- the serpents egg needs to addressed early on. In other words, its a matter of principles and those that deceive/cheat/lie/etc to get 5 dollars now, if allowed, encouraged and condoned, will be the same ones that will use the same means to get 1 million.
In short, what might appear as a cute little defenseless serpent early on, will later become a real problem.
Furthermore, and going on a tangent now, I value the character of real artists as yourself,
a real artist would never in my opinion tell us about her sick puppy and how sad she is, as a presentation of a mediocre deceitful drawing of a slutty sorceress, NO, a real artist would harness that sadness and situation, not to manipulate their audience and play the victim, but to manifest it through her art, for example making a drawing of the puppy or even better an selfportrait that conveys how she feels.
I hope you give that last concept some deep reflection.
I would also like to let you know that I love your art and that you have my utmost respect
for I consider you an intelligent ethical man and a true artist.
You are very welcome and I will always express my opinion. I believe is fair that you should mention who are these curators along with the comments. Transparency is as vital as justice
I took some time reading your post about @jaguar force. What you are suggesting is that you are like hitmen? people can pay you to take someone out, destroy his credibility and reputation as an artist.
This is a huge violation of trust, what you are saying is that people that i am socialising and talking and have relationships can behind my back and anonynous hit me? And you are asking for other people to join you because there is a lot of work? This is illegal, and you should be banned from the platform.
First, I would not have any problem citing a source if I needed it.
Second the source is my niece, is there a problem with that?
If I'm not bad this drawing is my creation, mine, mine, all mine, from the tip of the foot to the hair, the positions I take from my relatives, I have to place pictures of them too?
Stop placing these messages in my publications.
and finally you are absolutely no one to come and force me to place things when you have no right because you are wrong.
@yanes94 - don't answer this fool. Out on a limb and trying to harass you, probably frustrated for getting banned from OCD Discord - the moderators there had enough of the stupidity.
By simply adding a ! in front of sources, anyone can trigger the sources bot.
In my Viennese slang, we have a saying, that translates to something like this:
don't even bother to ignore it
I imagine that this guy is frustrated because nobody wants him, he feels alone and then he wants to annoy others.
I do not think it's just because they took him out of OCD that he's bothering me right now, but if, as you say, I think that enough problems are enough, so that someone else is stoking the flame more.
I love your saying! I am healed in health ehehheeh.
Oh! I answered him because he wrote me in the last two publications so I wanted to give him some love, but he did not correspond, maybe he does not want to be given sincere love.
Disappointed me! I will not respond more!
I think that people should be aware when making robots, so that they will be used and if they are using it correctly not for pleasure.
Giving this guy a robot is like giving a gun to a psychopath.
Is this your niece? She is wonderfuly similar if not....
https://www.behance.net/gallery/21858591/my-little-witch
Also, why dont you mention in your post that you are basically coloring an old sketch?
https://steemit.com/trialbycomics/@yanes94/inktober-10-and-first-entry-for-trialbycomics-8d9a8e6fcd3e6est
It would seem that curators are finally waking up to your deceitful tactics and continuous victim playing....
I do not see any similarity between the 2 artworks except that are both showing girls.. This is unbelievable, I thought that apart you brutal manners you were doing a good job researching. It is seems that you are good for nothing and just destroying the platform..
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Thank you very much for your opinion, several art curators we consulted disagree with you and find it extremely similar.
And yes, we apologize for the truth being brutal and so inconvenient.
Here you have an overlay one of those art curators made, it shows the face is very close to identical. And hey btw, dont shoot the messenger! :)
Any face used for an overlay in this perspective would create similar results. Do a reverse image search on google and use any of the pictures found... If you replace the eyes with a kind of "light", you will produce even more hits.
I have spent years training my eye. I can judge a fraction of a millimeter and and a few percent in hue and/or saturation. This face is one of many, and there is as much or as little similarity as you would get from taking a photo of a crowd of a thousand people and overlaying the ones looking in the same direction.
I really would like to carry on this discussion with the mentioned curators. Not to argue with them, just out of curiosity of their own artistic potential and the accuracy of their eye.
I had thought, the discussion the other day had come to a reasonable conclusion. Most people around here would agree with you, that your mission per se is important, but it also seems a bit out of proportion. Taking it to such extremes could be just as bad for the platform as letting the real culprits getting away with what they are doing.
Btw... what is wrong with coloring a sketch or creating something based on a previous version of ones own artwork? Artists of all times have done it and you will find many examples in the top museums in the world.
I will be at Art en Capital in Paris next week. One of the most prestigious art shows in the world. I would be surprised, if I find even one hint of any source used on any of the works. In fact, it will most likely be the same at the Louvre, which I intend to visit again as I have, many times before.
So again, yes, by all means, fight abuse! But please, lets not be more papist than the pope.
We concur with you that google reverse search is a mediocre tool, not to say shitty, but you must be aware that we use way more sophisticated tools, you can easily ascertain this by noticing that most of our finds, dont even come up in google reverse search. Just in case your next question is which tools are those, we are not gonna tell you which tools we use, for obvious reasons, just know that they are state-of-the-art (pun intended) tools with the latest technology.
Im sure you would like many things, as much as I would like many things, but many of the things we wish in life are not possible as you know, in the case of your particular wish you can find the reason in one of our latest post:
https://steemit.com/abuse/@jaguar.force/jaguar-force-expands
There is nothing wrong with it, and if you read our message well, you will clearly see that is not what was said, I will paste it again so that perhaps this second time you are able to comprehend it:
As you see what its being asked is why the user did not mention it in the post, what is being questioned is the deceitful tactic of coloring an old sketch and making the audience believe its a new drawing by stating:
In no place of the posts there is the most minimum clue about this being the coloring and finishing of a previous "work of art". The reason is simple, the user is trying to make the minimum effort possible, and at the same time present the work -by intentionally omitting the fact that its a modified old sketch- as a new piece.
Your comments about all the prestigious art shows and most of your arguments, when boiled down seem to come down to the fact that a common attitude in the art world would seem to be: "Lie to me, I like it." or to go a bit further: "I love sausage, but please dont show me how its made because I wont be able to eat it again", or to go Matrix style: "Ignorance is bliss".
Once again thank you for your opinion and have a wonderful day sir.
It is very unfortunate, that I don't seem to be able to make you understand, that I agree with you on the basic issue.
The only thing, where I think we have a different opinion is the "principle of proportionality" and that is why I mention prestigious art events and such. Not to justify things. Only to put them in a different context and proportion. In fact, I despise the way the art market is today. There are literally billions of dollars moved around for stuff that is done with little or no effort. Again, I am the last one who would say it is right and totally agree with your last paragraph.
The (high end) art world today is in a sad state. And it is exactly that, why I wonder, why we have to make such a big ado about a person making a handful dollars with something she likes, and which might actually be an important part of her resources.
In my humble opinion, she didn't do anything wrong, as I don't believe she was deliberately deceiving anyone. If done well, oloring a drawing is a much bigger effort than a lot of things I see on steemit... even on trending for the art tag.
So yes, have a wonderful day too. I really mean it :-)
I think we are beginning to come to an initial understanding of what is the position of the other, which is reasonable since the native language of neither of us is English, you are from Germany if Im correct and Im from Venezuela. What at first appeared to be a situation of extremely opposed views is starting to look more and more as a difference of nuances.
That being said, I believe that, -coming back to you for your inappropiate nazis comment earlier in our conversation- the serpents egg needs to addressed early on. In other words, its a matter of principles and those that deceive/cheat/lie/etc to get 5 dollars now, if allowed, encouraged and condoned, will be the same ones that will use the same means to get 1 million.
In short, what might appear as a cute little defenseless serpent early on, will later become a real problem.
Furthermore, and going on a tangent now, I value the character of real artists as yourself,
a real artist would never in my opinion tell us about her sick puppy and how sad she is, as a presentation of a mediocre deceitful drawing of a slutty sorceress, NO, a real artist would harness that sadness and situation, not to manipulate their audience and play the victim, but to manifest it through her art, for example making a drawing of the puppy or even better an selfportrait that conveys how she feels.
I hope you give that last concept some deep reflection.
I would also like to let you know that I love your art and that you have my utmost respect
for I consider you an intelligent ethical man and a true artist.
You are very welcome and I will always express my opinion. I believe is fair that you should mention who are these curators along with the comments. Transparency is as vital as justice
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Thank you for your opinion once again sir.
I took some time reading your post about @jaguar force. What you are suggesting is that you are like hitmen? people can pay you to take someone out, destroy his credibility and reputation as an artist.
This is a huge violation of trust, what you are saying is that people that i am socialising and talking and have relationships can behind my back and anonynous hit me? And you are asking for other people to join you because there is a lot of work? This is illegal, and you should be banned from the platform.