RE: Should Imprisoned Drug Offenders Be Released Upon Legalization?
The rule of law is the same as medicine and technology. People rely on the law because they want to use it to their advantage. Where damage occurs, there should be liability. That is the general view and that is the law.
One would have to distance oneself from this principle and ask oneself: does this really have to be the case without exception? If I have damage to my body or to my material goods, is it necessary in this very special event, which occurs especially at this time, to have it replaced or compensated?
If I think that the third pillar of a democracy is the rule of law, i.e. jurisdiction, then I have to accept that in some cases this is to my advantage and in other cases to my disadvantage.
I cannot then take one aspect of the legislation, regard it as absurd and have it immediately changed. If I was pro mariuana and it has so far been illegal to take it, then I may consider it wrong. Nevertheless, I would be liable to prosecution if I were to trade or consume it. Only because many people thought this legislation was wrong over time, made themselves liable to prosecution, took a risk, made public statements, etc. has the view of marijuana slowly changed.
Without the sacrifice of those who have gone into illegality and violated it despite the law in force, those who have to decide on the legislation recognise that it is time to change.
How else are the laws supposed to change?
... One may thank those who violated the law and were arrested for drawing attention to a problem. Happy are those who violated it and were not caught. Taken together, they all make a difference.
In my view, there is nothing wrong with the rule of law itself; it is changing according to its society and habits.
However, it would have to be seen whether a convicted person would not otherwise have to be rehabilitated and not also everything would have to be reset to zero with the serving of a sentence or compensation for damages by money.
So why is a person considered convicted if he wants to get back into public life? Shouldn't everything be neutralized again with the end of the punishment?
That raises another difficult question, doesn't it?
I think that thinking about law and order is a very complex matter and usually there are no easy answers either.
Very thoughtful, as usual, Erika. I deem it indicative of respect for both the topic and the writer, and so I thank you!
I actually think the matter of law is quite simple - nature (or God, as you prefer) makes valid law; man does not. Morality exists as a natural cause-and-effect phenomenon. Man’s law is logically irrelevant in all cases, as described above.
That being said, the fallacious belief in man’s law is quite prevalent and must be dealt with. I agree with the process you’ve described (of the heroic lawbreaker), though not with the stated goal. Changing the law is just shuffling around the furniture on the Titanic; however, when applied more broadly (with the goal of abolishing man’s law) it becomes quite heroic indeed.
Legalization, like all political action, is made to serve lawmakers and their cronies, just as criminalization was. Every cry of the public will be met with such poison pills embedded within the pretense of service. We must understand external authority as inherently immoral, and recognize that lawmakers are self-serving gangsters, in order to keep these issues in sharp focus.
Thank you, Brian. You raise interesting questions and people do talk about what you write.
It is an extremely ambitious undertaking to abolish legislation. I do not think that this could be something that will happen both during our own lifetime and to future generations. Abolition is in itself something that is being fought against. Rather, I could go along with it if it is a moderate development, in which the world view is subject to change, which is not based on fighting, but very much on a critical view. I am absolutely not in favour of passivity. When someone faces an enemy, a conflict automatically arises. People's negative attitude towards their governments will not help them. I believe that the poor media coverage is driving politics and legislation even further in the wrong direction. If I emulate the broadcast media and continue to denigrate the pillars of democracy, I put water on the mills of those who are not interested in my well-being and discourage those who want to speak for me.
If you think that man-made laws should not apply to you, how do you compensate for theft or if your neighbour permanently disturbs your peace at night? I had such a neighbour who regularly turned up his music system when drunk and robbed me of my sleep. It was almost unbearable and no ringing at the door or talking to him helped. Especially since as a woman I wasn't always sure if it would be wise to tell a drunk to behave. Calling the police was the best thing I could have done. Once he went so far that the cops took him away for the night. That must have disillusioned him so much that there was no disturbance afterwards. He apologized to me afterwards and asked politely if I could refrain from calling the police in the future. I told him: You have that in your hand. If you overdo it, I'll keep asking for help."
He was disrespectful to me and all the flatmates of the house and since he did not build one in front of me personally, I had to resort to the legally available means. I think that's right. After all, we all no longer live in clans that can defend us because of their membership and cohesion.
There are people who stalk others or commit defamation. They can only be stopped by the fact that the arm of the law forbids them to do so. An official court order often works wonders.
I am equally convinced, however, that the little man on the street is very much involved in new laws for the masses and above all, superfluous. People scream for "security" and "strong arms" and people in parliaments hear this.
In fact, I think that you and I are in a minority. I know exactly what you're talking about. If people were all to abide by the laws that have existed for thousands of years and that set out clear ethics, many man-made laws would be unnecessary. To this end, it is important not to look at others and tell them to fight, but to live clearly according to these rules that have been found to be right. I asked you once before if you had ever done the experiment of not lying for a few days. This one commandment alone is a challenge. Everyone should put their own house in order, don't you think?
Absolutely. I can remember the last time I proactively lied, it was 2 years ago. I've made great progress in living authentically - at least on that front - but I still have a long way to go, since my views are generally deemed unacceptably outrageous, even by those closest to me. This means that I often omit the truth by simply not speaking what I truly feel. I will, however, answer any question posed without actively lying.
Lying is primarily indicative of a lack of self-respect, and secondly, an act of disrespect for the other person. Lying is the act of a coward, and this I could not abide, so I no longer tell lies actively; though omission is in the same vein, and no person can claim full authenticity until they address this issue as well. The truly authentic person will no doubt be institutionalized (or at least socially ostracized) in short order. The culture simply does not permit this level of honesty without punishment.
Governments claim a monopoly on large-scale protection. You called the police because you were denied other viable options under threat of violent punishment. He did not desist because what he respected the lofty notion of man's "law", he desisted because men came with guns and used force to make him afraid. This does not require law. Any private protection service could do this, or you could do it yourself if properly armed and skilled.
The protective aspect of law is but a minuscule aspect of its role in society, though it is often thought of as representing the entirety of its function. Its actual function is to rob and oppress the people. Protection is just the cream cheese that makes the poison pill palatable. Every government function contains these two aspects - the treacherous reality, and the agreeable facade.
I agree that our focus should be on solutions, though I deem it reasonable to be angry with a terrorist organization enslaving the whole of humanity. The average man on the street is absolutely complicit in these moral crimes because he loves his enslavement, and loves to see others enslaved. His highest aspiration is to have the devil's ear, and to have his bidding done by its power. This is what democracy is.
The government is a manifestation of mass immorality. Mass immorality is a manifestation of the fear that lies within the hearts of men. Evil is the tool of cowards. Evil is, by definition, a lie - the misrepresentation of truth. So we have come full circle - the coward's outward lies are a reflection of his inward lie - fear. And he fears nothing more than going within and addressing his weakness. He would rather die than do this, and often does.
Maybe you get negative reactions because your honesty is not seen as exemplary but as an attack or arrogance? Authenticity alone does not make you a respectable person. If you feel that someone cannot yet cope with an honest statement or answer, or you already suspect that speaking it will cause a conflict between you and that person, how wise of you to do it anyway?
I have experienced that authenticity is not perceived as such by my family members but is interpreted as intransigence and self-glorification. Which actually pointed to a blind spot on my part and I suspected that there was something to it. Whenever I was enraptured to presume judgements or frustratedly criticize the decisions and statements of my fellow human beings, my honesty was no longer worth much.
Your environment will only recognize you as a role model when you are free from any misconduct. And even then the likelihood of being misunderstood and suspiciously eyed is because you have not been a wise person all your life. Give people time to know for sure that who you want to be is real.
If you are convinced of a mass immorality, why are you wondering why you experience a kind of exclusion or punishment when you criticize people of immorality?
Immorality is and always will remain a fact. So is morality. Tell me spontaneously an event in which you have observed your friends or your family members in a moral act. Where you've seen them so you've taken an example from them. Where they omitted or did something that you felt was a moral enrichment. If you can't think of anything so ad hoc, it's probably because you're just as infected with the common habit of focusing on the unpleasant aspects of others. I don't blame you, I feel the same way.
I find it extremely difficult to give examples of integrity and sovereignty and to sharpen my powers of observation in this respect.
With my example of family history I wanted to express that people can retain their dignity despite subjugation and that the immorality of others does not make them bitter. My grandfather and also my mother gave these examples - among others - for me. Who is it with you?
Moral action is a rather quiet affair, which may explain why it seems difficult to cite specific circumstances. In reality, they are so obvious, they escape our notice.
Moral acts are innumerable - they include everything that is not an immoral act, of which there are relatively few. Immoral acts are those which do not duly acknowledge the free-will choice of the individual. They are an act of theft, whereby such choice is withheld; consent is not respected.
Everything else is moral - building a canoe, watching TV, painting your bedroom, making a sandwich. These are not as noteworthy as defending the life of a would-be victim, but they are moral actions nonetheless, and carry the integrity and sovereignty of that perspective. I do not see need of more impressive examples than merely refraining from the immoral.
It is the responsibility of every person to value truth. The majority of people are not meeting this responsibility. You question the wisdom of insisting upon truth in a world where it is not respected, but what is the alternative? Would it be wisdom to instead deny truth, or omit it? Certainly not. Would it be wisdom to portray it with sugar and spice, and everything nice? Perhaps it would, as this is more agreeable, though some truths are difficult to frame thusly, and such coddling is certainly not deserved.
It may very well be a personal flaw to resent the insistence upon this hand-holding appeasement of irrationality and willful ignorance; but as one committed to truth, I recognize that the message and the messenger have no valid correlation, nor does the message and its method of delivery. If a person is unwilling to make this distinction, they do not value truth highly enough, and it is not the responsibility of the truthful to descend into the grave to meet these unduly-contented zombies on their own level.
I admit that there is a part of me that would rather see the world die in flames than to appease infantile miscreants who whine "Carry me" while writhing in the muck, rather than simply standing of their own volition. That being said, a stubborn benevolence and sense of connectivity with all living beings nags me to work toward averting this unnecessary disaster. So I live upon the fence, wavering between helping them, and allowing them the justice of drowning in 6 inches of water due to their pathetic unwillingness to simply raise their head.
Why not? In the eye of what you observe and perceive as immoral - and which seems to be very strong - I see a certain need for the stronger examples to act as a polarity to balance it out?
As you cannot reach ever the majority isn't it wise to reach the minority which are the people near you (family, friends, working place, groceries etc.)?
I ask you for alternatives which do not point so much to an "either, or" position. You can encourage wisdom in others when you put some trust in them that they are not totally unattainable. It's an art to practice that as we have to teach ourselves to act in this way.
If that is so then you could as well be ignorant towards those you don't want to be responsible for. Couldn't it be the case that the person you are dealing with and which appears to you zombie-like that this person doesn't know about this distinction resp. is not used and educated in thinking that way?
Have you had an experience where you were able to overcome this distance between you and another one and finally, after thinking, it is useless, came to a positive outcome? ... maybe not all at once but in the course of time?
It should be clear that doing this work is not easy at all. The temptation to send everything to hell is exactly the challenge you give to yourself. Every lost battle, every separation from the willingness to see the flaws of others as well in oneself points to an itching spot which says: there is work to be done.
Why smearing someone with sugar when you actually could also be just friendly? In the meaning of befriending yourself with the idea that your interlocutor may be surprised by an attitude of you which you haven't shown before? This may lead to a similar surprise for yourself and you may receive the unexpected. Without guarantee, though. People are smart, even the dumb ones, once they sense that your intention is not to put them down or to win an argument.
I would like to ask you if this is a challenge you can take up the next time you meet someone you attribute to be a zombie or a whining creature. You can be still direct but respectful, no?
HaHa! Greatly said! I hope your "stubborn benevolence and sense of connectivity with all living beings" will nag further on you.
Thank you for engaging, Brian.
I always appreciate how earnestly you embrace a topic. You are voming at this from a healthier perspective than I am at the moment. I’m exacerbated with the rampant evil (i.e. deception) that taints every corner of the man-made world.
Immorality is insanity, quite literally. It is a denial of reality. This is extreme and bizarre, even if ubiquitous. Morality is reasonable and appropriate in all cases and only appears extreme by contrast to the ludicrous example set by immorality. This is why I say I do not look for extreme examples of morality - I don’t think morality is ever extreme. I think it is as mundane and sensible as using an umbrella to stay dry in the rain.
Whenever you ask me to recede into memory for some example, I find it very difficult. It feels like looking for some old piece of paperwork and I’m not sure of its location. I don’t know if I’ve ever closed the gap between me and someone else.
I agree that people are smart - if you can reach them. They are severely damaged and dysfunctional and your voice must cut through layers of scar tissue to be accurately heard. They’ve been manipulated, used, and abused since the very moment they were born. They’ve been brutalized and crippled. They are horrid, shambling mutations of their true self - myself included.
It is very difficult for them to overcome their hypnotized state if not motivated to do so before they enter into a conversation with me. I do not believe I have the power to instill the desire to wake up when they don’t even believe they are asleep.
In my experience, the people who hear truth most clearly are those with a natural proclivity to do so. It may just be inborn. They have ears to hear, so to speak. In a sense, we are always and only preaching to the chior - whatever our messaage. We are helping to improve, expedite and advance, but never to actually convert. The blind are blind, but the sighted can be granted more sight. This is what I’m noticing, but it’s just a theory.
I understand. Yeah, you're right, morality isn't extreme, it can't be by nature.
I want to answer you in the spirit of Zen:
source: http://info.stiltij.nl/publiek/meditatie/studie/zenstories.pdf
It's maybe worth your time to look for the old piece of paperwork and to succeed in only one time to overcome the distance as it would be not your loss.