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RE: June 12th Daily Prayer Request Thread - Have Need Of Any Kind? The miraculous is the normal for those who ask..

in #prayer-request6 years ago

Supposing there was a group of people traveling about your area, led by a charismatic speaker who claims that the world is ending soon. He promises he alone can save you, but only if you sell your belongings, devote the rest of your life to him, and cut off family members who try to stop you.

He also wants to change your name, advises you to leave your home/job if necessary to follow him, and says that if you don’t love him more than your own family, you’re not worthy of him. What sort of group is that?

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He also performed many miraculous wonders such as healing the sick and bringing back from the dead - not to mention coming back from the dead himself.. I think it would be someone to give open minded consideration to..

Only according to the Bible. No other source from that time period corroborates Biblical miracles.

Muhammad performed many miracles, according to the Qur'an and Hadiths. Does that prove Islam is true? What about Joseph Smith's miracles in the Book of Mormon?

Christianity could not have exploded the way it did in the first century if something very unusual hadn't happened with Jesus. If it was all a lie nobody would have bought it as all would have known it who were alive at that time. The case for the Resurrection, on which Christianity stands or falls, is well presented in Lee Strobel's book The Case for Christ, among other sources.

"Christianity could not have exploded the way it did in the first century if something very unusual hadn't happened with Jesus."

What happened is that Rome made it the official religion.

Btw, by your logic Islam must also true: It is nearly as big in membership as Christianity and will surpass it by 2050.

"If it was all a lie nobody would have bought it as all would have known it who were alive at that time"

They did. Literature from the period not written by Christianity mentions it as a cult, and Jesus as a magician and one of many people claiming to be the messiah (as is still the case today)

"The case for the Resurrection, on which Christianity stands or falls, is well presented in Lee Strobel's book The Case for Christ, among other sources."

https://www.amazon.com/Case-Against-Christ-Testament-Reverend/dp/1578840058

Rome didnt make it the official religion until centuries later.

They did believe because they had good reason to believe, they all knew the miracles were true.. none of those magicians or claimers of messiahship came to anything, unlike Jesus. Point remains, if it was a lie it would have gone nowhere.

Have read these refutes before and they are pathetically biased, few legitimate counter arguments are found..

"Rome didnt make it the official religion until centuries later."

Yeah, and that's when it really began to grow rapidly. That tends to happen when a major government makes your religion the only legal one.

"They did believe because they had good reason to believe, they all knew the miracles were true."

Then Mormonism must be true. Otherwise why would Mormons have held fast to their faith even while being slaughtered following Executive Order 44?

"none of those magicians or claimers of messiahship came to anything, unlike Jesus"

Muhammad and Joseph Smith did.

"Point remains, if it was a lie it would have gone nowhere."

Then Islam and Mormonism must be true, right? Otherwise as you say, they would have gone nowhere.

"Have read these refutes before and they are pathetically biased, few legitimate counter arguments are found."

How are they biased? Also, how does the fact that you've seen them before make them untrue?

Well no, it had begun to spread rapidly shortly after the Resurrection, One of the reasons why it was declared the official religion was because how widespread it had become.

Agree miracles don't necessarily make something true, that's a whole mother topic of discussion, the point was that people knew that the things said about Jesus were not some made up story.

The couple I've seen had already made up their minds that it was all nonsense, no attempt to objectively dissect the evidence.

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