The standards I'd hold Steem community projects up to
Let me begin by saying - I support businesses of all kinds thriving in the Steem ecosystem. I don't prefer decentralisation either.
However, in the spirit of Steem, I have a soft spot for community projects, so here are some criteria I have come up with. Do note, a community project can be just a single individual or hundreds, doesn't matter. Any project designed for the benefit of the community.
Ideal
- Community project owned by the community. I.e. there are no owners of the project. The founders can be replaced without any friction if the community so desires.
- Open to everyone, for free. Any one can join the project and contribute.
- 100% of all revenues and holdings are paid back to the community.
- Complete transparency with all activities.
- Apolitical and unbiased.
- No self-voting of any kind.
- Non-competitive. (I.e. the project can shut down and merge without any friction if there's a better alternative) Whatever benefits the Steem community.
Great
- Project can have owners, the Steem account can be owned by eternal founders, but at least 75% of the earnings and holdings should be paid to contributors or used to empower the community in other ways.
- Can be closed and centralised, however there should be some publicly known way to be able to contribute to the project.
- Can have trade secrets, but transparent about their intentions.
- Can make deals with whales, for delegations etc. However, at least 75% of the benefit still must go to the community.
- Can make regulated self-votes for sustainable revenue.
Unacceptable
- Ask contributors and beneficiaries for anything in return. Under no circumstances, whatsoever, should the project ask the beneficiaries it was designed for anything in return. Whether it be selling votes, mandating users to follow a trail, join a group, a witness vote, or any other favours or barter at all etc.
- Unregulated self-voting, and otherwise revenue earned by the owners exceeds the benefit for the community.
If you run a community project that is in the "ideal" community, I'll wholeheartedly support it. I'll also use these parameters to vote for witnesses.
I should also point out that the "unacceptable" category is completely acceptable for businesses. However, I won't hold your business up to the anywhere near the same admiration as an ideal community project.
Agreed, I like the latest addition of steemstem, opening up to anybody to start their own branch in other languages for example.
Agree in spirit, but I think people are essentially here to profit and we shouldn't kid ourselves that everybody is altruistic in their work. (Hence my last post attempting to embrace the greed of whales rather than try to suppress it). The regulated self-votes you propose is what I'd consider ideal - following the rules for curation like anybody else. A happy worker is a busy worker!
Seems for the most part your vision is ubiquitously agreeable!
Edit
I should add that the idea of self-voting is to be as the form of payment. Where Curie guys get paid for their work directly, self voting would to me be the only form of payment, ideally. This only works with smaller communities, however.
Of course, which is why I'll offer extra respect for those that do choose to be altruistic :)
@curie is a great example because it is manually done and people are working towards finding and sharing good content. @steemcleaners might have good intentions in mind but is a bot that can flag hings that are not spam.
For example I recently made a new post about a brand new exchange with lower fees than bittrex and other big exchanges. I also told people that they have an affiliate link which can save you even more fees when trading and put my link in my post. The feedback from the community had been well received, and a few people responded saying thanks for the information, however @steemcleaners down voted the post $25 worth. After having spent several hours doing research and writing the post, to have a bot down vote your effort like that is not only demoralizng but plain and simply wrong.
As far as I'm aware, Steemcleaners is manual. I'm sure they will never flag a post unless humans ensured that it was abusive. They make mistakes, but they also have a public channel for appeals. So, I don't see an issue here.
If you could direct me to this public channel for appeals that would be greatly appreciated. I have commented on their massive down vote and received no response. Never say never. Mistakes are inevitbale.
you should actually appeal ... they do take off their flags
I believe it is #steemitabuse-appeals on Steemit.chat.
Thanks for the help
Thanks, I've reached out to them and can hopefully get it sorted out
@jasonshick If I'm not mistaken there is a no-affiliate link policy in the Steam Abuse guide. You might want to look into it on the Steam cleaners page.
When people share good useful information that can save people money for the things they are already doing, then why should i not share an affiliate link. Just because there are ponzi schemes out there doesnt mean what I posted about is one of them. When someone tries to add value to the community and reprimanded for doing so, then why would I try to help out in the future. If major crypto exchanges charge you 50 cents per trade and I've found a new exchange that charges 40 cents, why would I not want to share that information and help other steemians save money? If someone comes to my page and downvotes something without reading my post, then they are abusing the system just as much as the spam they are trying to prevent
You have a point, but without steamcleaners steemit would be a total mess, the amount of spam they comb through daily is astounding. And they do it manually so you can definitely sort things out, it's not just a bot!
I agree, their service is definitely necessary to keep steemit from turning into a garbage dump. But if they are manually combing through posts they should make an effort to find out exactly what it is they are potentially down voting, not just clicking. When an account has that much power (over 1 million SP) they need to be held accountable for their actions. Like I said in my previous response, if @steemcleaners downvote a post without even reading it and then leave a spam comment behind, they behaving worse than they abuse that they are trying to prevent
I agree with you. But also keep in mind that since this is a free market , everyone is entitled to use their votes and SP as they please. So a random whale of a 1 Mil SP - and there are quite a few! - could just downvote you because they feel like it without a reason.
Then people leave the platform and steems value goes to zero
Yes that is true!
So SteemIt's anti referral link attitude toward business will suffer its gruesome death of a social network that could've, but didn't.
Like the little engine.
A REAL FREE market would let em all in and may the best man win.
I think we need MySpace Tom here at SteemIt.
Gonna sound crazy til you see this... 👇
🙏 amen!
Hey liberosist.. first of all, I agree with your points... well made.
Something happened with tostitos and $1 million dollars of steem and I'm dying to talk about it tomorrow, but looking for a comment upvote. See my blog... I'd like to be #1 position on that... (re: RSVP post)
Nonetheless..
All the things you are speaking about in this post is exactly what is healthy in cryptocurrency projects and need to be factored into the design. So great job on that...
I think what you've laid out here is going to happen, because it's the inevitable for any of this to work long term.
Great post!
P.S. I should mention... people are doing what they do... because this is what we're currently working with.. so don't fault people on making the best of a less than ideal situation. We'll get there.. just not today. :)
are there any example of community projects you would consider ideal or great? perhaps we need some inspiration!
Ideal, I don't think so, but I think Steemcleaners and Curie come close. Just one or two points away from ideal. Great, yes, there may be a few, like steemSTEM.
@resteembot seems like a pretty cool bot with his heart in the right place.
Helping newbs..Remember when you where new?
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your idea is best and help for future
Great attributes of Platform
Thanks for the Idea, I might have the time to help do something like this in the future.
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A topic certainly worthy of discussion.
I am wondering where you (and others) see utopian-io sitting in the criteria above?
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