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RE: "Derivatives" - A Series About Fixing Steemit - Part 3

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Okay, I gave you a 100% upvote, so enjoy that .01 SBD.

Now, this was in many ways a brilliant post. There's a lot to parse. A lot to take issue with, but a lot to agree with. That's what a great piece of content does. It makes people think, feel, and possibly both at the same time. Then act. In this case, blow two cents up your ass.

First off, the premise of Steemit is flawed. The whole idea of "quality" is subjective. There's no such thing as objective quality when it comes to content (or much of anything else, really). Try reading "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" and you'll begin to get an idea of what I mean. The very idea of quality is such that everyone with half a brain cell is qualified to judge what it is. Few people are good at judging and all of us who are use flawed criteria or prejudicial ones (there's a reason that confirmation bias is a thing). So any system designed to rise or fall on the basis of quality has doomed itself from the get-go.

I'm certainly not an expert on derivatives, or financial markets for that matter, so I can neither confirm nor refute your argument on that. What I will say is value is an agreed-upon state of awareness regarding anything that might be tradeable. At one time, before fiat, people traded what they owned. Fur coats, or pelts, in colder climates were of high value because they provided a useful purpose. In warmer climates, they were of lesser value. But if you lived in Africa and was good at hunting and killing animals that could be used for making fur coats or pelts, then you could make a living if you could find someone who wanted what you had and who had something else you wanted. Many cryptocurrencies are based on this kind of value. Many more aren't, as you so aptly noted.

I was around when the dot-com bubble burst in 2000. I was active on the Internet, but I wasn't involved in any type of commerce. Many people were. When the dot-com bubble burst, I started researching why. Quite simply, irrational exuberance took over. People got emotional about a new technology that was going to change how people communicate, do business, etc. It did. But not until a lot of failed experiments hit the dirt. Many of those failed because investors put money into bad business plans and bad business managers. But there were people making money online. Amazon opened its doors in 1994. They didn't become profitable for 10 years, but that reality was built into the business plan. Jeff Bezos is a genius. And all he sold for the longest time was books.

When it comes to cryptocurrencies, there are different kinds of "currencies." Some are coins, some are tokens. Among tokens, you have security tokens, utility tokens, staking tokens, and probably a few more categories I'm leaving out. They all have a different purpose. But few of these will survive if, as you say, Market Makers, don't support them. In some cases, those are banks and financial institutions. In other cases, governments. In other cases, it could be a market. Gaming tokens, for instance, don't need government or banks to survive if the gamers who buy, sell, and trade them agree on the value within the gaming system wherein they interact. So, while you hit the nail on the head in some respects, there is a lot of complexity regarding crypto markets that go beyond these arguments. Nevertheless, you have proffered a valiant effort, and I lift my sword (point it toward the sun).

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Too long to go for today, but we'll get you there...

@blockurator,

You are such a brilliantly delicious writer that I even enjoy your insults ... you S.O.B. :-)

The premise of Steemit is flawed. The whole idea of "quality" is subjective. There's no such thing as objective quality when it comes to content (or much of anything else, really). Try reading "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" and you'll begin to get an idea of what I mean. The very idea of quality is such that everyone with half a brain cell is qualified to judge what it is. Few people are good at judging and all of us who are use flawed criteria or prejudicial ones (there's a reason that confirmation bias is a thing). So any system designed to rise or fall on the basis of quality has doomed itself from the get-go.

Yes ... quality is subjective. But not that subjective.

Some Supreme Court Justice once said (paraphrasing), "I can't tell you what pornography is ... but I know it when I see it." Playboy's porn ... but naked Greek statues aren't, even though the subject matter is the same.

In any event, my issue is not about what you and I might variously consider quality, but rather the systemic way that quality is determined, and hence rewarded, on the blockchain. If you're buying your own upvotes (bidbots), then clearly any notion of Objective Curation is being violated.

Ironically, I DO NOT blame anyone for using bidbots. It is a sensible adaptation to the realities of the environment. Nevertheless, it is destroying the blockchain by making it untenable for those that don't. It is creating a Tragedy of the Commons. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tragedy-of-the-commons.asp This is something I will address in great detail in the next Article of this Series, "Central Premise."

Gaming tokens, for instance, don't need government or banks to survive if the gamers who buy, sell, and trade them agree on the value within the gaming system wherein they interact.

Agreed, and an issue I will address in the future Articles of this Series. As you can see, this one was getting pretty long.

Quill

Quill,

We agree much more than we don't. And then you go and illustrate perfectly well what I was saying by trying to refute it. Thanks!

Some Supreme Court Justice once said (paraphrasing), "I can't tell you what pornography is ... but I know it when I see it." Playboy's porn ... but naked Greek statues aren't, even though the subject matter is the same.

But there are people who take issue with Playboy, and with naked Greek statues. Feminists and conservative Christians both agree that Playboy is bad, but for different reasons. I don't know why people take issue with naked Greek statues, but they do. Maybe it's just because they have to take issue with something even when its level of innocuousness is obvious. But there you go.

I certainly do agree with this, however:

In any event, my issue is not about what you and I might variously consider quality, but rather the systemic way that quality is determined, and hence rewarded, on the blockchain. If you're buying your own upvotes (bidbots), then clearly any notion of Objective Curation is being violated.

The systemic way that quality is determined on the blockchain is by allowing people to upvote what they consider quality. Here's a question for you: How is a person spending 5 STEEM on a bidbot to earn back 7.86 STU on a 6-day layover for a crap post any different than two creators of crap posts agreeing to upvote each other's mediocrity? Or, how is it any different than using SteemAuto to upvote every post in a curation trail with a 5% upvote even though you won't read any of them just so you can get your 100% upvote from the upvote bot run by that curation trail? Each of these moves is an economic decision. And they're all made on the basis of the flawed Steemit premise that you're taking issue with.

I am waiting eagerly for your next installment, sir. You certainly provide food for thought, and thought for food.

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Curation on steemit isn't about selection of quality content. It's a matter of taking an action that has certain outcomes in 7 days. If it were about content, we would find interesting articles in trending. Curation is about hording. There are companies who do this openly - you can see over a thousand votes, but not a single comment. If 1,000 people read something, how is it that not a single person commented?

I think objectively curating content is all about me reading it, assessing if it is worth paying for a vote to get it to be seen. It is way less time consuming than waiting for some jerk to objectively come to the conclusion that my content will trend well. In the end, my content may still trend long after berniesanders and his brilliant meme's are long forgotten. Maybe something is broken, but I think it's broken in human nature, so any system will be weak to counter act those flaws in human nature.

Anyway, your article is brilliant and thought-provoking. Thanks for all the efforts!

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