Thoughts on trading analysis and signals

in #trading6 years ago

Hey everyone!

Without getting much into who and where, I just wanted to lay out some of my own thoughts on these kind of activities on the platform and my doubts about them.

I am not new to trading. I've never traded stocks or invested in them, I mainly started trading when I was introduced to cryotocurrencies. There were a few years where I traded some coins back and forth with the goal of increasing the amount I have, it felt like I had an edge over the market cause I was always trading knowing these coins would in the end go nowhere but up. At least as an altcoin enthusiast I felt like I had an edge over the market because my thought process was to always buy more on the dips and sell less on the highs.

There are things though that a human trader can not predict or execute properly in time. It's no surprise that exchanges and their API's are filled with trading bots, they are after all taking over wallstreet and other markets as well. Even though the crypto markets are a lot more volatile and crazy, bots will outdo human activity 99 times out of 100. If you believe you can do better you'll be as disappointed as World Chess Champion Garry Kasparov who lost his first ever match versus a computer in 1997.

After coming to the realization that I often ended up with either the same amount of coins or less than I had started with, even worse - less than if I had just mined them on my 2 GPU's at the time instead of spending many sleepless and stressful months trading. I decided to go for the long-term approach in trading and investing and it has by far been the best decision I ever did, both for my health, sleep and for my crypto holdings. I am not saying it is impossible, but I found that the more often you trade the bigger the odds are of you losing, especially on exchanges that take a hefty trading fee per executed trade (Bittrex and Poloniex usually take 0.2%-0.25% per trade).

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Now comes my thoughts on having a Steemit account where you announce currencies you believe will shoot up combined with having a huge following both on Steemit and on other social media platforms.

If some of you have been here longer, you might remember my attempt at this on my account @cryptochannel which is now discontinued. I want to also provide some details on my decision to discontinue that activity because it is related to my issues with this.

There is a lot of room for abuse with this activity. There's been a lot of discussion about technical analysis, elliot waves, etc, etc. But as a matter of fact we all realize that this technology and way of trading is something we may have never seen before. It's nothing compared to stock markets where most exchanges will only let you trade at certain hours of the day, or where most users are verified and only certain parts in the world are active trading, etc. Cryptocurrencies are worldwide. It is impossible to predict who is acting on what and when as there are so many different aspects in it. Big hands coming into a market, big hands leaving, big hands manipulating the price, bigger hands destroying the manipulation. Digital thefts being dumped on markets, unstable exchanges causing flash crashes or whales manipulating margin traders liquidation. There are so many possibilities and reasons to markets moving and from so many different people and regions, not to mention news and other events. There are too many to count, but when we are in a bull market and new investors coming in who don't even take the time to look into what they are buying it becomes a lot more of a gamble - the prime example being what some investors out there are currently doing with Steem back Dollars which are supposed to be pegged at a dollar each.

I realized quick on my cryptochannel account that if I continue to grow and build a following, especially when the time came that we would hit the next bull market, one that happened in early 2017 and the other recently, I would not only be able to predict a lot of currencies correctly and make it seem like I am good at what I do, but with the right amount of followers and people blindly following my trades I would also be a reason to the movements. It's not rocket science that if you are receiving 2-4k views per article signaling this and that coin is going to go up short-term next, that a lot of traders will follow suite cause they believe you have been correct about many other coins in the past. They may not even realize that 80% of the other unmentioned coins have done the same thing due to the bull market and new investors just throwing money at anything that's been around for longer than a few months and has a working blockchain.

I want to mention that my posts offered content about the coins, not just a graph that said it has done this and that and now I believe it will do this and that. Even if that might have been a bit overrewarded, it wasn't just short posts.

Now imagine yourself in my shoes if that account had received a lot of followers or if I were to resteem it on my account. Knowing that my next "prediction" might cause the price to jump up 5%-100%, would you resist on buying that coin for yourself prior to announcing it? Knowing that no one will be able to know if you've done it or not due to the anonymity of exchanges, would you be able to resist accumulate a random coin that hasn't moved for a long time and then feed it to your fanbase?

I am not saying that anyone actively does it, but considering human nature it wouldn't surprise me if some of that is involved. The trading fees are often so low as well that some big traders could be accumulating first, waiting for a "signal" and then buying up the start of it by a lot leading to the rest of the fanbase only purchasing what the initial buyers are now selling at a premium and profit.

As I was realizing that problem, I came up with a sort of "proof of holding" on that account where each time I wrote about a new currency I believed had potential in the future to gain value, I would at the same time add a screenshot or video recording of the exchange and showing my trade order history that I haven't dumped the currencies on my followers. This of course is also not a fail safe way cause I could've just created another account where I did much bigger trades with the coins instead and had the other one as a placeholder. I couldn't come up with a good solution on how to make it impossible to game my own followers, so I quit.

Even if you are amazing at predicting and wanting to share it with many people, there's no safety that you aren't getting a much better deal off of users in private and the people you say you are helping make a big profit in reality are the ones causing the upswings combined with the rest of traders jumping on top of rising coins and often ending with less than they had in the beginning. Since this all comes down to a gamble in the end if you are looking for quick profits, remember that many gamblers often forget about losses and only remember the winnings.

Be careful out there Steemians, slow and steady wins the race.

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That is a wonderul analysis. You said so many things without saying them and you outlined so many things that others might be afraid to say so..

You are right.. anyone with a huge following can now make a coin go up or down with their "expert analysis" and can make money hand over fist by buying those coins prior to announcing that they are going to go upward..

Sadly, since cryptos are still not regulated currencies so the laws of SEC do not apply, hence this criminal activity cannot be stopped..

The only thing we can do is stay safe and play safe in crypto world..

Yeah, I think at the end of the day you just have to hope the appreciation of value in the technology over the long term is going to be such that manipulation ends up being blips on the radar, and eventually I believe it will. The people who really lose out on these types of activity are the people who are trying to make big short term gains. For the long term holders, this type of activity ends up evening out over the long term. It is definitely scary watching your portfolio valuation jump all over the place.

Yes, regulation can stop a lot of unqualified financial advisors - just like those pump groups/channels/tweets etc...
But - as I have written in another comment (sorry for copy-and-paste of this 5 lines list..) we are trying to analyze a market featured by:

  • No possibility of fundamental analysis (you don't have any form of financial statement)
  • No possibility of market analysis (you are thinking to a new product with new tecnology, you cannot evaluate the potential real market for a token)
  • Small market cap with a lot of whales that control price
  • A lot of weak hands and new traders that are usually trend-follower, increasing price spikes

Prices are ruled, even more than in traditional and regulated markets, by psychologycal factors. so, as you perfectly said, "anyone with a huge following can now make a coin go up or down with their expert analysis". In traditional and regulated market, volatility is controlled also by two other factors:

  • Investors can diversify, so there is less volatility because big operators have a more stable market portfolio that allows them to HODL and reduce risks. This is impossible in crypto markets because diversification, in a short - medium term, is unuseful: Bitcoin goes down? China Bans? Great exchanges are banned? All crypto falls, because bitcoin is the real market maker of all the market - so all crypto follow bitcoin
  • Crypto markets was born with small capitalizations. Early adopters have mined even hundred of thousands of bitcoin and/or easiliy bought altcoin in ICOs, years ago, when in a lot of cases prices that were 1/1000 of current prices (Ethereum at 2$ and for a long period under 1$ is the best example of easy accumulation). So, there are huge whales.

In traditional market volumes are controlled by with hyper-tecnologic actors like High Frequency Traders https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/high-frequency-trading.asp that can destroy markets for fractions of seconds but don't create a panic sell/panic buy (too fast, they only kill stop loss users). And in every case regulators - unless, as everytime happens, they are colluded - have the tecnologycal analysis tools and the lawful attributions to interview.

So yes, by this point of view we need of a stron regulation. Think also to all scammed users that now have left the market because there were no law and none kind of legal guarantee..

You have a very interesting point of view in this post. There has been some rumors of Elon Musk is Satoshi Nakamoto. And I personal know many of his fan who will buy BTC if he is the inventor of BTC.

With great power comes great responsibility ;)

What do you think about what's going on with John Mcafee and his twitter announcements? Currently, he is able to basically manipulate any currency he wants to a large degree. His announcements send whatever currency he's mentioning to the moon...

Haha yeah it's kind of ridiculous, someone made a trading bot for it. xD

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7lthm9/john_mcaffe_trade_bot_free/

who is the man who made an trading for it ?

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Great post. I have been trading for some time and it is all about psychology, patience and probabilities. It is also very important that you manage your risk, otherwise is game over. I agree whit long term approach in trading and investing. I went form day to swing trader and it was the right decision. My 2 cent advice : FOLLOW THE MONEY- "big boys"

Indeed thats a big part of the game. You have to learn How the smart money think, and follow It.

Unless you have enough money/influence to move the market itself

Wow. Thanks for sharing. With record numbers of people now trading the stock markets online and technology making it easier for them to do so, it's hardly surprising that the amount of people losing their hard earned savings has risen substantially too.

When you consider that the majority of people entering the markets for the first time have little or no market knowledge, or any kind of trading strategy, this really isn't a surprise.

With a lot of traders just after quick returns and almost treating the markets as some kind of an atm machine, or global casino, the potential for losses of a sizable nature is higher than ever.
We will surely be careful

You made serious points here. I really like it.
I believe when investing or trading, timing is everything. The right decision at the right time is what makes investing a profitable proposition. Timing your decision too late could be expensive – whether you plan to buy or sell shares. Timing it too soon, could mean that you do not get the best value from your investment. Several people invest their money hoping to reap dividends. However, not all of them generate the profits that they dream of. This is because not every investor spends time in doing the necessary due diligence before purchasing. Thanks for sharing @acidyo

This is why I appreciate you and some other people on the platform who will give their ideas, but never want to use people. Integrity is super scarce these days.

It's a rollercoaster, I stay away from that, I just set long term goals and I hodl and it paid off so far

Binance is by far the best exchange right now.

I think so too, loving the daytrading there so far and the new coins that get added on there first.

Yes, absolutely. They are adding every successful ICO.

Is there much difference between doing that, and upvoting a post just before resteeming it to 10,000 followers?

You mean for curation rewards? Yeah I guess it's a bit similar if you are in it for maximizing curation rewards.

Yeh it's a similar idea really, I personally don't have any problem with that as long as it's a genuinely good post/coin to invest in

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