How about I'm not going to beat around the bush, mkay?
There is WAY-WAY-WAY more VP abuse than SFR, spaminator & Steem Cleaners, altogether can handle. Meaning that we have to decide what abuse we prioritize at the moment. The average Steemizen isn't flagging what THEY themselves consider abuse, so you can imagine how little we can change at the moment.
Should @magicdice incentivize their players in a different way? Hell, yeah
Should SFR do anything about that? Definitely not in the foreseeable future, because that would make us extremely ineffective
Currently @spaminator has over 2.75 million vested with more than 99.5% VP and @steemcleaners has over 1.5 million vested with more than 96% VP so for them to ignore @magicdice reward abuse is either incompetence or more likely intentional negligence.
I've just begun looking into SFR and I am astonished at the reward pool rape and spam being facilitated by the account. This single post has over 20 comments and $18 in rewards saying the same thing - "Follow on flag for bid bot abuse"
To my knowledge @steemcleaners are rarely at 100%, which is the point where SP is truly wasted.
I don't know if the same applies to @spaminator.
As I stated before, @anthonyadavisii is working on a steem engine token, to replace the current reward system, which has clear drawbacks. @anthonyadavisii, can publish a post detailing what work needs to be done to officially publish the token? Maybe a few interesting Steemizens will volunteer to finish the job faster (I can upvote any post that showcases significant contribution to the upcoming SFR token code)
The scope of Spaminator is to go after faucet/post/comment farmers and similar. It precedes this new age of dapps and games, which so far we've been counting as "services" due to community input. Spaminator is currently being recoded and the new code is being tested, preparing it for another 3 years of cleaning.
The scope of Steemcleaners is to go after fraud, which is plagiarism, id theft or deception, image plagiarism of various kinds, security threats like phishing and similar. Additionally, it educates people regarding copy/paste.
Spaminator and Steemcleaners are different projects and we're hoping to get scope documentation out soon. If you want to make a recommendation, go for it. If you think there are dapps who exploit the goodwill of the ecosystem and spam up the chain, make a post about it.
I already have pointed out the abuse and if you aren't going to act then it's on you. Im not interested in jumping through any of your hoops. Steem is full of con artists, frauds, and grifters, and your network of so called spam fighters is just another gang of abusers disguised as heros with the momentum of self righteous group-think.
I have no idea who you pointed anything out to aside from the comment I responded to that was directly linked to me. We have a submission form for that. Use it or tag me in your investigation posts specifically if you find an issue that needs to be resolved.
If you're referring to magic-dice, the best solution is to hold them accountable and strongly encourage them to use the blacklist api feature.
Have you contacted @magicdice about $10 upvotes to random comments? I'll bet you haven't. It is no different than bid bot abuse, you pay for a chance of a profitable upvote and the more comment spam you put on the blockchain the better chance you have, right? The SFR trails are also spam and reward pool abuse and completely unnecessary. My contests that did not require any upvotes but allowed contestants the option to upvote or leave a comment are flagged to 0 while this type of abuse is being encouraged by the perpetrators. When you step outside of the comfort zone of your friend network you can see how hypocritical and insane that is.
So reward pool abuse is fine as long as votes are random? If reward size is too large that should be corrected with @spaminator, @steemcleaners, or @steemflagrewards right?
@skepticology I have no control over what @magicdice votes on. They randomly select someone that plays with a 1-100% vote on a random post.
I like playing the game, so should I stop playing it because you think the vote is wrong. Why don't you contact @magicdice and complain to them about it.
If you disagree with reward size then why not correct it with @spaminator or @steemflagrewards? Your complacency means that you are fine with reward pool abuse as long as you are the beneficiary.
Even if I wanted to flag it, I can't flag with @spaminator or @steemcleaners because it's not an abusive post. I posted that comment not knowing I would be upvoted at all, it is a response to @anthonyadavisii post, I didn't post it in the hopes of getting a $10 upvote. If you look at 99.9% of my comments since I joined Steem they get between 0 and and a few cents. How the fuck am I supposed to know if I'm going to get a $10 vote. I've rarely had votes of that size.
@spaminator or @steemcleaners do not deal with reward disagreements. They are used to flag abuse such as plagiarism and posts like yours which are designed to farm rewards on purpose. They serve zero value. If you want to run a contest, vote the winners with your own stake, or buy some Steem to hand it out as prizes, or find a sponsor. It's really that simple.
If you have an issue with who @magicdice decides to vote on, or how they decide to do it, then contact them and every single one of their delegators to propose a solution on how it could be done better instead of acting like a baby and blaming me for your abuse.
Do you not flag posts for "bid bot abuse" because of excessive rewards even though the vote was from a different account? The #1 reason for a flag is "Disagreement on rewards." The rewards for this comment are excessive and abusive towards the rewards pool. It does not matter where the votes came from or whether or not they were random.
Do you not flag posts for "bid bot abuse" because of excessive rewards even though the vote was from a different account? The #1 reason for a flag is "Disagreement on rewards." The rewards for this comment are excessive and abusive towards the rewards pool. It does not matter where the votes came from or whether or not they were random.
Discord is an insecure 3rd party application irrelevant to this blockchain and there is no reason you cannot discuss it here where the actions in question have taken place unless you are afraid of public exposure. As the 'old' saying goes, "blockchain or it didn't happen."
Magic Dice has rewarded your post with a 73% upvote. Thanks for playing Magic Dice.
@pjau Do you think this comment is worth more than $10?
@steemflagrewards comment farming
How about I'm not going to beat around the bush, mkay?
There is WAY-WAY-WAY more VP abuse than SFR, spaminator & Steem Cleaners, altogether can handle. Meaning that we have to decide what abuse we prioritize at the moment. The average Steemizen isn't flagging what THEY themselves consider abuse, so you can imagine how little we can change at the moment.
Should @magicdice incentivize their players in a different way? Hell, yeah
Should SFR do anything about that? Definitely not in the foreseeable future, because that would make us extremely ineffective
Currently @spaminator has over 2.75 million vested with more than 99.5% VP and @steemcleaners has over 1.5 million vested with more than 96% VP so for them to ignore @magicdice reward abuse is either incompetence or more likely intentional negligence.
I've just begun looking into SFR and I am astonished at the reward pool rape and spam being facilitated by the account. This single post has over 20 comments and $18 in rewards saying the same thing - "Follow on flag for bid bot abuse"
https://steemit.com/life/@esbjornbo/cloudy-7ls7kexz#@themarkymark/re-esbjornbo-cloudy-7ls7kexz-20190409t025418553z
To my knowledge @steemcleaners are rarely at 100%, which is the point where SP is truly wasted.
I don't know if the same applies to @spaminator.
As I stated before, @anthonyadavisii is working on a steem engine token, to replace the current reward system, which has clear drawbacks.
@anthonyadavisii, can publish a post detailing what work needs to be done to officially publish the token? Maybe a few interesting Steemizens will volunteer to finish the job faster (I can upvote any post that showcases significant contribution to the upcoming SFR token code)
The scope of Spaminator is to go after faucet/post/comment farmers and similar. It precedes this new age of dapps and games, which so far we've been counting as "services" due to community input. Spaminator is currently being recoded and the new code is being tested, preparing it for another 3 years of cleaning.
The scope of Steemcleaners is to go after fraud, which is plagiarism, id theft or deception, image plagiarism of various kinds, security threats like phishing and similar. Additionally, it educates people regarding copy/paste.
Spaminator and Steemcleaners are different projects and we're hoping to get scope documentation out soon. If you want to make a recommendation, go for it. If you think there are dapps who exploit the goodwill of the ecosystem and spam up the chain, make a post about it.
I already have pointed out the abuse and if you aren't going to act then it's on you. Im not interested in jumping through any of your hoops. Steem is full of con artists, frauds, and grifters, and your network of so called spam fighters is just another gang of abusers disguised as heros with the momentum of self righteous group-think.
I have no idea who you pointed anything out to aside from the comment I responded to that was directly linked to me. We have a submission form for that. Use it or tag me in your investigation posts specifically if you find an issue that needs to be resolved.
If you're referring to magic-dice, the best solution is to hold them accountable and strongly encourage them to use the blacklist api feature.
Have you contacted @magicdice about $10 upvotes to random comments? I'll bet you haven't. It is no different than bid bot abuse, you pay for a chance of a profitable upvote and the more comment spam you put on the blockchain the better chance you have, right? The SFR trails are also spam and reward pool abuse and completely unnecessary. My contests that did not require any upvotes but allowed contestants the option to upvote or leave a comment are flagged to 0 while this type of abuse is being encouraged by the perpetrators. When you step outside of the comfort zone of your friend network you can see how hypocritical and insane that is.
Ok now you're telling me something. What contests? Tag me on the Steemcleaners discord.
And no, I can't contact magicdice. I have no idea who runs it, all I know is that they took an os script and altered it.
I blame @magicdice on that one.
It's fun and all that, but it really rubs people the wrong way when they choose to randomly upvote their players' random comments like that.
So reward pool abuse is fine as long as votes are random? If reward size is too large that should be corrected with @spaminator, @steemcleaners, or @steemflagrewards right?
If you have a solution that doesn’t involve flagging random people, but send a message to @magicdice, let me know.
@spaminator flags random people constantly to remove excessive rewards regardless of where votes originate.
@skepticology I have no control over what @magicdice votes on. They randomly select someone that plays with a 1-100% vote on a random post.
I like playing the game, so should I stop playing it because you think the vote is wrong. Why don't you contact @magicdice and complain to them about it.
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Here's your
DRAMA. Don't spend it all in one place!To view or trade
DRAMAgo to steem-engine.com.@steemflagrewards spam
If you disagree with reward size then why not correct it with @spaminator or @steemflagrewards? Your complacency means that you are fine with reward pool abuse as long as you are the beneficiary.
Even if I wanted to flag it, I can't flag with @spaminator or @steemcleaners because it's not an abusive post. I posted that comment not knowing I would be upvoted at all, it is a response to @anthonyadavisii post, I didn't post it in the hopes of getting a $10 upvote. If you look at 99.9% of my comments since I joined Steem they get between 0 and and a few cents. How the fuck am I supposed to know if I'm going to get a $10 vote. I've rarely had votes of that size.
@spaminator or @steemcleaners do not deal with reward disagreements. They are used to flag abuse such as plagiarism and posts like yours which are designed to farm rewards on purpose. They serve zero value. If you want to run a contest, vote the winners with your own stake, or buy some Steem to hand it out as prizes, or find a sponsor. It's really that simple.
If you have an issue with who @magicdice decides to vote on, or how they decide to do it, then contact them and every single one of their delegators to propose a solution on how it could be done better instead of acting like a baby and blaming me for your abuse.
You're upping the drama to new levels! Have a DRAMA.
To view or trade
DRAMAgo to steem-engine.com.Your hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance are astounding.
Then, you clearly don’t understand the scope which those groups operate on. This is a @magicdice issue.
This falls under personal disagreement. You may flag at your own leisure.
Did @spaminator flag participants of your contest when you are the source of it?
Seems about right
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Do you not flag posts for "bid bot abuse" because of excessive rewards even though the vote was from a different account? The #1 reason for a flag is "Disagreement on rewards." The rewards for this comment are excessive and abusive towards the rewards pool. It does not matter where the votes came from or whether or not they were random.
Do you not flag posts for "bid bot abuse" because of excessive rewards even though the vote was from a different account? The #1 reason for a flag is "Disagreement on rewards." The rewards for this comment are excessive and abusive towards the rewards pool. It does not matter where the votes came from or whether or not they were random.
Then flag it yourself. Do not tag SFR in your comments when you have never bothered to step inside our Discord to see how we define stuff.
Discord is an insecure 3rd party application irrelevant to this blockchain and there is no reason you cannot discuss it here where the actions in question have taken place unless you are afraid of public exposure. As the 'old' saying goes, "blockchain or it didn't happen."
Having trouble juggling your accounts?
Here’s the deal. Your interpretation of what YOU think we flag is actually pretty far off from our definitions.
Almost everyone uses Discord due to the piss poor nature of community features on the chain.
I will not be bothered to bend to every single person who wishes for me to type things out every time.
Good day.
Do not reply. Our Discord is public.