Philosophizing on the elite and carnism.
I bet the elite of the world use a very similar kind of logic that those who eat animal products do.
"Lions don't feel remorse for what they're doing, so why should I?"...
We're not lions though, we're humans, and we can choose whether to be predators or not.
Though I think there's an important lesson there if you reflect and want to understand the world that we live in..
Cause.. It seems like the people in power feel like it's natural to rule over you and basically do whatever they want with you when it comes down to it.
They get together in parties and clap and cheer when speeches are given about the need to rule over the "plebiscites" for lack of a better term.
I mean.. This is a major problem. I think.. Most of you.. Believe in the sort of official narrative that is given.
You go along with the politicians and vote and pay the taxes and play your role in their society..
And behind the scenes.. If you really study this you'll find that those same people are gathering in secret and partying and clapping and cheering each other on after they give speeches in secret about the need to control you.
To repeat.. There is a group of secretive people who created the public image you think is real. They think it's natural and normal to prey on you like you prey on other animals.
I'm not making this up, you can find the scholarly books where it's casually admitted. Thing is, these books are rarely ever read by the public.. In fact the general public rarely ever reads books at all and if they do they are usually popular "best sellers" or whatever.
And.. Hey.. You know.. Is it so wrong? At least in the light of those who still consume animal products. Can you really say that your oppression is wrong when you inflict it on others without need?
They are literally just doing to you, what you are doing to the animals. If you think it's natural to kill and eat animals, then it's just as natural for the elite in the world to do the same to you.
To wage wars and murder hundreds of millions and enact systems that kill trillions of animals and destroy or damage much of nature and our forests and oceans.
They're just preying on those who are of lower intelligence. You're doing the same. You just don't like it when it happens to you. So you speak out, but when you do it to lesser beings.. You're quiet about such kinds of injustice.
I think as long as humans try to maintain dominion over other animals, they themselves will have issues within their own species doing the same to themselves.
It's sorta like.. "As above so below" I do think there is some kind of spiritual connection there, a mirror.. Somehow built into the nature of existence.
I think this is why so many historical and famous people have said things like.. "As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be wars".
If you want to be for love and freedom, shouldn't it be for all? Rather than just you, or your group?
Heck.. Humans can barely get along and hate each other for such superficial reasons.. I dunno why I think they will be any different with the animals.. But.. I keep trying. I keep planting seeds.. Some day maybe some of those seeds will sprout. :) Anyways.. That's my thoughts for the day. Peace. <3
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Good article. You have some interesting ideas there. I think in general people do not want to think about the instances in their lives where they cause pain in others - so they (we) choose to ignore those instances. I also think that society has become used to eating meat on a regular basis and therefore takes it for granted that doing so each day is normal. With the abundance of food (among developed nations) people could easily go several days eating a vegetarian diet and still receive all of the nutrients and variety that they need and crave. In a way we have become programmed to eat meat each day. It is a habit and our addiction.
Thanks! Definitely been having a lot of interesting ideas lately.
I generally agree with your message and what you said, though am a lil confused about this part.
According to all the research I've seen, plant eaters tend to be the healthiest group with the least disease. Those who eat a lil fish sometimes are similarly close.. Yet.. Going back thousands of years our ancestors debated this same subject, and would argue how wasteful consuming livestock is, and the ethics of killing animals for any purpose.
The original Christian gospels actually show Jesus and all of his followers except for one to be plant eaters and opposed to exploiting animals. Going back further fossil evidence shows our Paleo ancestors rarely ate meat, it was like 1% of their diet.
And if we evolved from the animal kingdom our closest relatives also eat like 99% plants.. So.. I'm not sure what you mean when you say developed Nations have enough plant food for people to go several days and get all their nutrients.. The default condition appears to be one of eating plants and it's the cheaper and healthier route according to the data I've seen.
Other than that though I agree with what you said totally! We tend to sort of suppress it when we do harm to others, and try to justify it as well. And sometimes it may be necessary, like in self defense.. But.. If you don't need to eat animals to survive, then there is no self defense or survival argument there.
Yeah I didn't do a very good job explaining my point. I agree with everything you have said in your reply so I wont recap that.
What I was referring to with this statement
is in relation to the mindset of people who eat meat everyday and believe that they must eat meat everyday in order to be healthy.
What I'm saying is that many people have been taught/programmed to believe that eating meat everyday and for every meal is necessary in order to be healthy. However, people can actually get all of their nutrients and be healthy (or healthier) by eating a vegetarian diet.
Some people argue that a person cannot get all of the nutrients that they need while being a vegetarian but that is not the case. There are enough food resources (quantity and variety) to eat a vegetarian diet and be healthy.
I kind of said the same thing multiple times but hopefully that clarifies things.
Thanks for clarifying!
To be fair.. I am open minded to the idea that some people have somehow become adapted to need animal products. Though I don't think it's our natural or proper food source and I think the overwhelming amount of science shows that we are primarily plant eaters and history shows cultures who have thrived off only plants for thousands of years.. So I mean.. Maybe some people do need it on some level, but I kinda doubt it and I think in general our species is 99% if not 100% plant based in nature and how nature intended us to be.
Yeah I think that's fair
This is my take on vegan absolutism: https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@themillionthings/trouble-with-ideology-take-2
Like to hear a reasoned response to the points i'm making
I scrolled through it and it's decently long, plus I've been responding to messages for much of the day already, so.. I'm not sure I'll be able to get to it tonight, but since you mentioned that you would like to hear a reasoned response I will make an effort to read it sometime soon and share what I think. Welcome to steem by the way!
Thanks for your "welcome". I'll look forward to your response. Hope the night finds you well. All my best.