RE: Debunking a Woman's Right to Choose in Four Words
What i really hate about the abortion argument is that all sides are not being honest. And what i really hate about the abortion issue is that "pro choice" is the only honest conclusion.
The life of the child actually begins before conception. But, the souls know full well there is free choice and that abortions may occur (miscarriages may occur) and help is put in place during this tenuous time.
Miscarriages and abortions still affect the soul. And there are children today who remember the trauma. As in, they were supposed to be born four years earlier but they remember being flushed. How is that for mother-child bond?
Further, abortions shouldn't be necessary. Women have a dozen forms of birth control, including the morning after pill. The only reason a woman gets pregnant is because she is an idiot, stupid, or for nefarious reasons.
Many "unwanted" pregnancies happen so that the woman can have leverage over a guy. Trying to tie down the man. And when, he doesn't put a ring on it, after the blackmail, she goes and gets an abortion.
You have yet to explain why you believe pro-choice is the only honest answer. I am honest with myself - I believe, and yet I have arrived at a different opinion.
Many pregnancies also happen when we "forget" to pull out. The guilt cannot be laid at women's feet alone. Even if most rather than many pregnancies occurred the way you stated, that would still be as much the fault of males as females, because if we know this to be a possibility before having sex, then we shouldn't have sex. The problem I believe is that no one is being educated on the true impact of having a child. I do not refer either to the parent's inability to go clubbing as often. I mean that when you bring a life into this world, that life is accompanied by a whole lot of suffering and or joy. You bring a life that is going to need help to survive for all its years now that we're dependent on a system to eat.
We need to teach people that giving birth is a very, very serious thing rather than a way to get some free money from the government.
I think you are a forward thinker in many regards but every time the discussion involves women you forget that you're a human and remember only that you're a man and not a woman. The whole point of the LGBTQ post I just wrote that you commented on was to make the suggestion that we stop dividing ourselves, and that ought to apply to men and women too. It is not them and us; it is simply us. The only "they" or "them" I know are the one's who have led us here, and that's just a handful of people.
I would say men are stupid... they believe the woman when she says, "I am on the pill"... and then they believe her when she says, "whoops, i guess the pill wasn't working and i got preggers." This is a very common story, and it is always a situation where the woman wants to get married, but the guy isn't going for it.
The stories are so legion that i believe it defines the rule and not the exception.
Add to that: 1 in 4 children are not the stated father's. This comes from a blood technician in a hospital. That is 1 in 4 based solely on blood types of the parents.
So, to men, i say, you are being stupid. You are being played.
But, i lay the deception at the feet of the women.
Now, about "pro-choice". Women will, and have, do anything and everything if they do not want the child. Over the years, all kinds of chemicals and toxins have been used.
A well outside a nunnery... they cleaned it out and found tons of infant skeletons.
Given that not allowing legal abortion only ends up with illegal abortions, then it is stupid to deny legal abortions. The women are in charge of their body, and they will do as they please. With or without consent.
And, although i feel it is bad for the woman, the child (the soul) and humanity to have abortions, i can only express my disdain for the practice. Women have to be allowed to make that choice on their own
There is still a lot I can't agree with in here but I will concede that you have brought me to the realisation that I am both pro-choice and antiabortion.
I have felt like there should be no law, and that is because I think no one should be told what they can and cannot do. I just hadn't put my own beliefs together properly in regards to the context of this topic.
So I thank you for the clarity you have given me. Yes we should be able to choose. But that choice should always be to save a life where possible, not to extinguish it because we are afraid of the responsibility.
That is basically where i stand.
(i am probably just a lot more cynical when i hear "oops")
So, your main problem is that women can use this as a leverage to get what they want from men, and then do what they want. It is about the imbalance of legal power which befalls men and helps women. Is that correct?
Not quite, but those are ramifications of it.
Women are, by nature, emotionally manipulative. It is the way they think, it is what they do.
So, i am pointing out that the actual reason that women demand abortion rights (and that everyone should stay out of it) is because they are using abortions to get out of the emotional manipulation gone wrong.
And, that if we do not address this large reason, calling a spade a spade, then we can't ever work out the discussion over abortion.
While it is true that women are inherently more manipulative in nature, the point is that a castle being attacked doesn't ask the attacker to stop. Neither does it appeal to a higher power to keep the enemy at bay.
Your defence is in your own hands. Being, a martial artist, that's the first thing which I learned in life. If you want to remain safe, it's your job to prepare for safety and ensure it. If a guy is that concerned about whether his woman is going to use emotional manipulation on him through pregnancy, he should just use a condom. That's what they're meant to do. Furthermore, if a person can't trust their sex with another person, then what meaning is there to their relationship. If I was in his shoes, I'd get the fuck out of there.
In fact, that is exactly what I did. An ex of mine told me that she was pregnant after we had sex. I insisted on getting her medically examined and when I found out that she was lying, I confronted her. She told me that she wanted me to be closer to her. I did not like the manipulation one bit, and that is where I ended it.
But the fact is, that also taught me something about women. I now realise it after living with another woman for the past two years, that if a woman is comfortable around you, she won't have to find the need to manipulate you or lie to you. She'd say everything without feeling like she's risking something. That's something which most men and women need to learn and understand. Apart from that, if a guy is with someone who is just exploiting him, it is bound to surface sooner or later. That's when he should take the cue and move on.
Curbing the right to abortion would make it punishing for the women you talk about. But, at the same time, it doesn't really help solve anything. The issues behind these problems will still continue to exist, and soon, there will be another way to exploit the loopholes in the law.
Yep, this is why i say, "i have to be pro choice." Because women will find a way, no matter what. So, give them the right and give them the responsibility.
I agree, that if a women gets preggers to manipulate a man, that relationship is doomed. Run away. Run silent. Run deep.