thanks @laundrylady !!! i wish i would have planted MANY more mulberry trees from the very start. i held off because i had heard they were invasive with their roots on slab and buildings. geez...that's no my experience now. not sure what zone you're in...but you look like you're in a higher altitude. no problem...they are found in most zones. check out this video from paul kenaris in florida. he's got an ammmmmazing permie channel covering florida. this video blew my mind! our little dtube clip will be uploaded by mid day :)) my son river and i tried to emulate paul's vid...in gathering some lol!