Roger Ver Goes Too Far? Appears On CBNC Fast Money 💰 Talks Bitcoin Cash On Coinbase Says All Sorts

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At 1:30 the CNBC reporter asks
“Is there not a world Roger where both Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash can exist?”

To which he replies to by saying it’s really dangerous for Bitcoin Core holders on the basis that if in a short space of time Bitcoin Cash price goes up significantly and poaches a lot of mining power, the Bitcoin network would come to a screeching halt.

He then says in the 7 years he has been involved in Bitcoin he has always encouraged people to hold their Bitcoin in a wallet that you control the keys to, however right now he says it might be a good idea to move your Bitcoin and hold it on an exchange in case there is a sudden panic sell.

He says if your coins are in your private wallet and you can’t transfer them to an exchange because of a transaction backlog, by the time you manage to sell your coins they may be worth nothing.

He says all this in the context of their being a mass exodus of people from Bitcoin to Bitcoin Cash.

When he says “if”, he may well be saying such things to trigger the very hypothetical exodus he is talking about.

While he may well be exaggerating to push the Bitcoin Cash agenda it did make me think about you guys who tune in to The Cryptoverse for tips on making money and then protecting that money.

Roger may get in your head a little bit because one of the things we love about Bitcoin as an investment is that it’s fully liquid, meaning no matter how much of it you have, you can sell it all in one go without really affecting the price.

The question is whether we can still consider Bitcoin a fully liquid asset if it takes days to move it from a private wallet to an exchange?

So I did a quick experiment and I proposed a transaction to send all of my Bitcoin from a Ledger Nano S SegWit address to an exchange, and the fee was quoted at $92.

If Roger’s panic scenario materialised, I would have no problem paying that kind of transaction fee to get it included in the next block, although I know his counter argument to that.

He would say “what if the mining power has moved over to Bitcoin Cash by then and the next block takes an hour”.

My response to that would be “That’s a lot of ifs”.

I’ve learned a lot from Stefan Molyneux the author of the book The Art Of The Argument and he often cites what he calls “An argument from consequence” to be invalid.

In Roger’s case this is “You should move your money into Bitcoin Cash because if people don’t move their money into Bitcoin Cash they won’t be able to move it if the Bitcoin price crashes”.

The problem with that advice is that if enough people move their money from Bitcoin to Bitcoin Cash that will actually cause the Bitcoin price to crash, the Bitcoin Cash price to rise and the mining power to move over to Bitcoin Cash, making the Bitcoin more difficult to move.

So in that way he is speaking it into being true, rather than it being true now.

Part of my job is to reduce the anxiety of you dear viewers and replace it with confidence.

So if you watch this interview with Roger and he gets into your head and frightens you then there is a hedging strategy you can employ.

My approach is more often than not to find what the Buddha called “the middle way” which many regular viewers will have heard me talk about before.

This means I’m not going to help you figure out whether what Roger is saying is true or false, likely to happen or not likely to happen.

I’m going to suggest a strategy that means it doesn’t matter which way it goes, you have some protection in place.

My strategy would be to transfer half of my Bitcoin holdings to an exchange and leave the other half in my hardware wallet.

That way if there was a sudden price crash and a drop in mining power, yes the Bitcoin in my hardware wallet would be stuck but I’d instantly be able to sell the Bitcoin I put on the exchange.

This limits my losses while at the same time limits my risk of holding money on an exchange.

I’m not recommending anyone do this, it’s just a philosophical thought experiment for the purposes of intellectual stimulation.

One thing I will advise you to do is somehow come to terms with the fact that none of us can gain absolute certainty that we won’t lose money in this game, nor can we gain absolute certainty about security.

That is a quest you will never complete.

Instead, we must do everything within our power to lower the risks to an absolute minimum and then fully accept whatever risks remain.


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Hi Chris. I hope this post isn't out of place. You mention Buddhist concepts occasionally and also meditation. I'm glad that your promoting genuinely beneficial ideas through your channel. I recently went to a Buddhist monastery in the UK called Amaravati (https://www.amaravati.org/) and its an amazing place. I hope people check it out if they are interested in meditation and Buddhism. Its non-profit, you can stay for free, its not a cult, I'm not trying to plug anything. Peace out.

I have never been but I know of this place, thank you.

Interesting concept. If you are worried about this than utilize the new futures market to limit your risk. That is the reason they were built. Keep your BTC in a safe wallet and HODL unless you truly hate the project. BCH is only band-aid right now. This is a slight improvement to some of the BTC issues.

Roger Ver is a tool of the highest order. He's the worst thing to happen to cryptocurrency in 2017.

He is incredibly foolish. He neglects to mention the substantial growth in demand Bitcoin has experienced in such a short time.

He thinks his opinion is more important than others. There's a whole development team considering the pros and cons of various actions, and he just goes and makes his own decision and creates a fork. This is immoral.

Bitcoin has its issues but he is in no position of authority to make a call on what the way out is. He is incredibly arrogant.

The fork was not immoral in my humble opinion, the competition should be embraced, after all right now transaction fees on bitcoin cash are a fraction of those of bitcoin.

competition is embraced. there's over a thousand alternative crypto currencies out there. I have no problem with Etherium, Litecoin, Vertcoin, Monero, etc etc.

If Roger Ver wanted to provide competition - he could have forked the software and started a new completely independant blockchain - then he would be free of criticism.

the traffic on bitcoin cash are also a fraction of the traffic on bitcoin.

I think marketingmonk is going to far by abusing his power and he not want people can read the truth. The truth is, articles likes this COST you money, my article would make you a fortune cause i was obviously RIGHT!

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@the.privatier/12-important-things-you-need-to-know-when-deciding-about-investing-in-bitcoin-cash-or-bitcoin

Very beautifully arranged the video. I really liked the issue. There was a lot of important things to write in the blog: The post that is really awesome

Yes, I think Jesus is going too far with this attempt at a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The funny thing is, that he's contradicting his post Bitcoin Cash fork self. On Nov 9th, 2017, Roger Ver gave the following advice (starts at 38:18 for context):

...banks like Coinbase and Xapo and a number of others which are great companies that make it easy to buy and sell Bitcoin but don't use them as a way to store your Bitcoin...

...make sure that you are using a Bitcoin wallet rather than a Bitcoin bank because it would be a horrible horrible feeling waking up one day and have your Bitcoin bank having frozen all your Bitcoin...

Roger Ver on Bitcoin Cash at the LA Bitcoin Meet Up Group on Nov 9th 2017

awesome work .. great to see you again

Roger should address those BTC concerns to if the same thing could happen to BCH. 12 hours is a long time in the world of crypto.

really post ???

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