What I've learned from a (pretty) close examination of "Flat Earth" theory.

in #informationwar5 years ago (edited)

Like many of us, I've sort of had "Flat Earth" (FE) theory cognizance forced on me. You can't spend much time on Youtube without running into these videos in your "recommended for you" list if you've ever shown any interest in nature, science, philosophy, cosmology, religion...you name it. I've immersed myself in the topic now for about six months, and while I am still far from finalized with regard to conclusions, I would like to share a few brief observations on how my thinking has evolved during that time.


(Naw...it's cool...but I don't buy it. Courtesy of livescience.com.)

The first thing I'd like to do is tip my hat to the Flat Earthers (or at least the honest ones who are not part of any kind of psyop.) The first thing I was struck with (and remain amazed by) is the depth and breadth of the arguments--even some really good arguments--that the best Flat Earther proponents are able to make in favor of their theory. There were times during the past six months that I was almost ready to ...well... what, I'm no sure. But it certainly has been far more of a challenge to reach firm conclusions than I would have guessed.

Of course, "Flat Earth" belief is really only part of a broader conspiratorial worldview, some of which I've embraced already for decades. In order to believe in FE, you must also believe that the Earth is the center of the universe (geocentrism), that NASA and all major world governments collude and lie as a matter of routine, that there is a physical "firmament" of some type, and that at least the Sun and Moon (of all celestial objects) are much, much closer than we've been told.

I ACCEPT SEVERAL OF THESE PREMISES to one degree or another.


(simple wikipedia.org.)

I can not, however, as of yet, accept that the Earth is "flat" at least to the degree that it would eliminate the possibility of it being spherical in shape, (or concave, which is a variant of FE to be fair.) I am currently able to consider geocentrism for a multiplicity of reasons, not the least of which is that I believe the Bible to be the inerrant and true words of the Creator.

I believe that a geocentric Earth answers most of the cosmological descriptors given in the Bible better than the heliocentric model. I have always believed, for example, that the Book of Revelations is being LITERAL when it says that the stars will fall to Earth (Rev. 6:13) and, of course, that requires that the stars be much, much, much smaller and less hot than we've been led to believe; and, it also strongly implies that they are much, much closer as well.

I've always believed the Bible when it discusses "the firmament" and I do believe there is some REAL and PHYSICAL barrier that would fit that description, although it need not be DENSE AND HARD, but could be electro-magnetic in nature, or of some other "softer" nature yet unknown. Whatever the case, I do believe it likely that we went to the Moon, because the Moon is eminently more "reachable" than we've ever before been led to believe and that it and the Sun and stars are in (or within) the firmament (Gen. 1:17 KJV.)

The best reason, and to me it is currently an irrefutable one, that the Earth does not revolve around the Sun (geocentrism) is the FACT that pilots NEVER adjust for the so-called "Coriolis Effect" when plotting course or when landing. I am willing to believe that the Earth is a globe and that it spins inside the firmament where the Sun, Moon and stars are fixed; OR, that we are on a stationary globe with the sun, moon and stars (fixed in their places in the firmament) all revolving, together, around us. However, I am no longer able to say for certain that we revolve around the Sun or that it is 93 million miles away. (Somehow Ezekiel's Wheel always suggests itself to my mind as a sort of microcosm of something else VERY important....)

IF we are rotating with nearby celestial items fixed and close, perhaps ''their wheel" is rotating too, and we are rotating conversely, at a much, much slower speed than we've been told (i.e a moving "wheel" within a moving "wheel.")

The Big Bang Theory is in direct opposition to Biblical cosmology, of course, and it rests COMPLETELY on the belief in an expanding universe and that Quasars and galaxies are totally different celestial phenomenon with Quasars being the most distant. I've never believe in "red shift" to the extent that it can solely and inerrantly predict distances, movement, or anything else of any relative importance to cosmology. Relatively recent discovers (by Arp and others) that galaxies and quasars are sometimes JOINED by webs of "substance" (call it "stars" if you like) and that their redshifts are drastically different even though in close proximity to one another destroys evolutionary physical cosmology.

The Michaelson-Morley Experiment, IMHO, did prove the Earth is stationary, and all of the efforts of modern cosmology since that time have been PRE-DIRECTED to explaining away that proof, especially the "relativity" and "special relativity" hokum of one Albert Einstein. We do not need an "ether" to convey light either if the light sources, as the Bible tells us are, in (or "within") the firmament, so that solves that conundrum.


(Courtesy of simple.wikipedia.org.)

So...my current working theory, to simplify and summarize, is that the best evidence seems to show that the Earth is a CLOSED SYSTEM within a firmament, probably globular, and that the celestial objects are very, very close indeed (and small) compared to what we've always been told. I do believe in rotation--probably of the firmament and the celestial objects, but possibly of the Earth beneath those then stationary objects. I no longer believe revolution is likely.

I believe we are the center of THIS CLOSED SYSTEM, of course, though if God has other closed systems like ours--or much bigger systems even like those described in evolutionary cosmology, we have no proof of any of that.

I welcome your constructive criticism...

Thanks!

P.S. I also think it possible that everything I am proposing is true and that the "Flat Earth" element out there is attempting to be superimpose FE upon a rational geocentrism in order to obfuscate and bring it into wider derision. This, of course, would be done by the same types of people who deride all things Biblical.

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Nice article. I don't know what to believe. But for sure what they say us is fake for sure. I like the Norse version.

Thanks! All the ancient civilizations seem closer to the truth than NASA-- that's for sure!

Of course they were... I don't believe that all this civilizations were primitive human beings. They were even more advanced than we are today in my opinion.. That doesn't only mean technical but also mentally.

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Quite possibly...

The Egyptian is also a nice one because the stars are actually light in a fluid substance like water.
https://youtu.be/lmBh-WZzjIg

Possibly... as I do believe it's all water above the firmament, although I'd have to see about Scripture allowing for the stars to be beyond the firmament.

Hmmmm.....

I had a thought some days ago.. Below is is water. Above us is water what if there are other "Worlds" above us and below us. Who knows?

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interesting idea, or maybe other continents :)

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I don't think so... Not on this same globe anyway.

Possible, although I personally tend to discount anything I can't even see suggested in Holy Writ. WE CAN be sure of angels and demons AND heavenly realms, as well as Sheol and Hell below, however. So, those are "other worlds," in a sense, but probably in a different "plain of existence/dimension."

tbh with you, if you are in Christ and have Him as your hope of salvation then cosmology doesn't matter, but it IS a fascinating topic and has been THE scientific question debated for thousands of years.

despite what people might think, people have been flat/ ball earthers or geo/ helio centric and arguing about it for a very long time, it is not a new phenomenon, and it certainly has not been settled.

one of the first things i realised was that i had not personally seen the earth as a ball, not been past 10 miles high, and everything in my mind-images about the universe and the earth were from pictures from a telescreen. no proof outside of this.

so what could i prove for myself? and what has forgotten science also proved? there are so many strands to this, and it took me 6 months of study and research to finally come out as believing the earth is not a spinning ball.

i honestly believe the fe debate has come about because God is waking more people up to His truth. many fe'rs are rabid new age cultists, but thousands have given testimony as to having gone from atheism or no idea-ism to a profound belief in scripture, the God of the bible (YHVH) being the Almighty Creator of heaven, earth and all life, and His only begotten human son Jesus of bethlehem being the only path to reconciliation and life in the coming eons, which are going to be much better than this one.

sorry i haven't talked about the topic much, i have done plenty of talking in the past.

different from the other link, this presentation has had over a million views, and it's just some bald bearded bloke making the connections between what you already knwo about the illuminati et al, and cosmology/ flat earth.

enjoy:

Thanks. I'll try to make time to squeeze this in tomorrow.

Oh my...this is 2 hours long.

I'm not going to be able to get to that this weekend, that's for sure.

I've looked at a LOT of the "no curvature" arguments, and I find them unconvincing. There is no way you are going to see curvature at less then 100 miles elevation (which balloons never reach) on an object with a diameter the size of the Earth.

Also, even the best "you shouldn't be able to see this from here" arguments fall flat when you realize you are not seeing the bottom of the objects claim, and the misuse of the formulas for recedence.

watch the first 15 minutes. if you're not interested, don't come back to it. the cover photo shows a number 5, meaning there are lots of different topics covered, not just curvature for two hours lol!

peace.

I'm semi-interested. Just too busy to devote two hours right now.

I don't worry about this since there is nothing I can do about it. But if you want your mind blown, look up

  • mud flood
  • stolenhistory.org
  • tartaria/tatary/tartarian <<< Especially regarding architecture
  • directed energy weapons
  • global reset - phantom time
  • there is no fuel on jet planes - free energy

Very interesting rabbit holes. Closed or open, round, pear-shaped, concave or flat. No matter what - the truth is being hidden or may not even be known.

LOL...I hear ya. I just like to have a better understanding of truth and the means being used to deceive.

I've looked at all those but Tartaria. I'll try to make time today to look into that.

Along with that goes all the "expositions" of the 1850's to about 1920. Apparently these were used to tear down all the "temporary" buildings that were all over the world.

What do you think of the mud flood? It seems to be evident in all big cities when people look.

Right. The expositions were also, of course, about the "fight over light" between Tesla and Edison.

Not sure what to think of those. Pretty weird, for sure.

Yes, all kinds of strange light in the photos from those events. I'm pretty sure the goal was to tear down the buildings though. They cannot be explained. Some with the recent NZ and Nepal earthquakes that only hit the old parts of cities. Same for the Desden firebombs. Something needed to be gotten rid of. Then there are the talented slaves of Ankor Wat who came and built masterpieces and then disappeared. On and on it goes.

...yea, and some say the California wildfires of the past couple years would fit nicely on that list too.

So true - Greece and Portugal had the same pattern as well as up in Canada. What melts cars and levels houses while leaving the tree standing 10 feet away? Evil doers doing evil things.

Yep...and the City in Alberta was a hub of the oil sands business up there, wasn't it?

Howdy sir mepatriot! I get lost in all this but it sure is interesting!

It IS fascinating. My theory may be wrong, of course, but it sure fits the Biblical description of things better than modern cosmology.

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