The Steem Blockchain Can Not Be Censored.
Again, STEEM/Steem is not Steemit.
The Steem blockchain and the STEEM cryptocurrency are not the same thing as Steemit.com or Steemit, Inc. Too many intelligent, well-informed people in the cryptocurrency space continue to get this confused. Please, be informed and know that the Steem blockchain can not be censored.
- STEEM Is NOT Steemit. STEEM Is More Valuable Than Steemit.
- My tweets about this.
- Bitcoin Ransom: 9/11 Papers Hacker Group Banned from Steemit Platform
I get your point that Steemit is not Steem but what does censorship-resistent means in reality? First Steemit censored @thedarkoverlord and now Steempeak. Busy and Partiko are still showing the info but for how long? Until they get a call from their governments, I assume.
This is the test we have been waiting for, the cross-road for Steem. If we manage to find a solution for this, we break free. If we don't, then the majority of users will not be able to access the info because all these dApps shut it down out of fear for repercussions. Where does that lead to? Censoring our alternative medias here as well, because they get outlawed as fake news and internet terrorists?
Where is the decentralization in all of that? Do we even have a single decentralized app on Steem that truly is censorship resistant, and deserves the name dApp, after all?
This is all VERY concerning.
We have to encourage partiko to release open source. DTube already nipped this in the bud . We have an Android application. And you can build the source yourself. Foss. https://github.com/powerpoint45/dtube-mobile-unofficial
I encourage everyone to download the sourcecode :D
+1 open source. :)
I agree, we don't yet have any true "dApps" on Steem (or really anywhere else). @anyx has a great post going into details on that here: What Makes a 'dApp' a 'dApp'?
That said, I'm not too concerned about this specific example. Extortion for profit and lolz isn't exactly something a voluntary society should be happily supporting, so I acknowledge and respect the right of each individual owner of a Steem blockchain viewer project to make their own decisions. These are very difficult decisions, and I do not envy those who have to make them. The threats of government are often serious and few are willing to go up against that Leviathan.
I think we're always have an uncensorable underground. It may be a little harder to get to in some situations, but ultimately, the content is there and can not be taken down. The code is open source so anyone can fire up their own version of it and run it locally.
If governments start coming after block producers individually and force them to exclude certain blocks from the chain, well that could be a real challenge.
Thank you for the link from @anyx, I will get to it later today. Sure, the @thedarkoverlord is not really representing anything I personally stand for because of the ransom request. Smells more like a psy-op, that will not reveal any substantial information about 9/11.
But it is beside the point we want to make here, right? How can we achieve true censorship-resistance in a Steem frontend reader? Is that even possible? I guess I have to dive into the article you linked above to understand that better.
Wow, would that be possible to manipulate information on the blockchain when you have access to one single block producer? I thought they have to reach some form of consensus with other witnesses.
No, but single block producers could be pressured to exclude content (which means the next block producer in line would add the content to the chain). You'd have to control all the witnesses to really censor anything or you'd have to get consensus (2/3 + 1) to fork the code which obviously... be obvious. :)
Yeah that won't be too easy for govt to censor, maybe we can get laws past in the usa to protect these blockchains and freedom of speech. Everyone can always run full nodes in their own homes with pitbulls to protect them. Hehe . I am ready for changes in steem. Change is a good thing. Removing things like 90day power downs encourages investments coming in. Moving towards user end dapps vs server end dapps. Thousands of solid dapps will exist one day. To replace Uber, Facebook, and imdb for example. People will have to choose centralization vs having less features. This is the reality of the blockchain dapp ecosystem from my perspective.
is there a dapp out there that we can use instead of steemit that it is 100% decentralized ? I didn't get this point
@lukestokes I totally get what you’re saying. My question would be if Steem has more value without Steemit, where are the use cases? It would be great to have Steem in Trezor, Ledger, Etc. If you know of any, maybe do a post about it. That would be cool. Thanks! ✌🏾
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I think the value of the Steem blockchain increases with each new interface using it for value creation which includes content, gaming, and more. I highlighted some content sites which use Steem, but I could have also highlighted things like SteemMonsters or Fundition.io or any number of other interfaces which use the Steem blockchain. Steemit, right now, seems to provide a negative influence on the perception of the token and the chain based on conversations I've had with investors who simply don't understand how separate they are. I still use steemit.com myself (along with others). I don't have a problem with the interface as I've gotten quite used to it. If it were to go away, that wouldn't be the end of the world though. My main concern would be the loss of SEO value gained over time.
I think that sooner or later some major game development companies like EA or Activision Blizzard (or new 100% blockchain based decentralized DAOs) will create MMOs and other games that can build upon and replicate the success of classic games such as World of Warcraft, WC3, Overwatch, Hearthstone, DOTA, Diablo, Starcraft, SWTOR, etc. where the entire game runs on a blockchain (preferably Steem) and where all currency/characters/items/skins are tradable for crypto.
If said games add the feature of being able to stream directly from within the game interface and upload videos to different platforms like Dtube/Youtube/Twitch etc., that would revolutionize the gaming/streaming industries and massively boost the use of the chosen blockchain platform(s) on which the said games would operate on.
Steemit Inc, being the largest and wealthiest stakeholder on the Steem blockchain has to LEAD and create a structured foundation with business leaders, developers, marketers, etc. (like the Ethereum Foundation did) and spearhead the future growth of the Steem blockchain ecosystem. I think we have all been saying this for quite a while now.
In my opinion, EOS and TRON are doing leaps and bounds ahead of Steem because of their organization and planning skills, whereas Steemit Inc. is still lagging behind on many fronts relative to other blockchain projects leadership teams.
Huge market cap coins like EOS or Tron will always make more noise in terms of development than Steem which had 70% layoffs not long ago. Compare 3billion against 100million market caps and you will get what we have today, fatigued community, ups and downs, leadership without clear goal. Steem is not looking good atm, we are fine in terms of staying on 50th place, but to move forward I think we will need a miracle.
Fatigued community ... I like this description ... and agree we need a miracle
@moonwalker Someone told me before the holidays that the witnesses do not answer to Steemit Inc. (I'm still new to all the technical things around here) ...is this true? Why don't they just start implementing all the thins that everyone is talking about? There is so much potential here, it would be such a shame to see it continue to falter.
Most Witnesses only create blocks (run Steem blockchain) and run their own businesses (like Steem Monsters, SmartSteem etc.), they don't code as Steemit Inc. developers do and implement that code via hardforks for Steem blockchain, some are capable to do so, but witnesses are there mainly to make Steem blockchain safe. My guess why witnesses as a whole don't make something great for the whole Steem ecosystem is because they are all individuals and to organize them all from all over the globe is not an easy task.
@steem.services well said. Let's hope we don't end up like myspace. There is a lot of potential here.
I to this day still wonder why did ned and dan name the first Steem application Steemit, people who are not using Steem still think Steemit is a coin, our great creators needlessly created a 3 year old confusion in crypto space.
Perhaps this site/app needs a rebrand, something like SteemApp, and once you click on it in the bold letters it should say "This app uses Steem Blockchain". I feel this confusion will never end as long as the name stays the same.
Even our own users don't get the difference as you can see in all these videos from alternative media guys posting to the Steem blockchain and messing that up all the time. Super confusing and difficult to get out of the heads of people.
Yep. All we can do is keep repeating it. At least the separate logos may start to help people eventually get it.
If everyone disowned steemit for the lies and deceit they pull on us, it wouldn't be a problem.
You are right! I still don't understand why the masses haven't come to steem!
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You really think that the steem blockchain cannot be censored ?
I don't think so.
It's very easy to censor them without any reason.
You just must have enough steem power and than you can flag any post who you don't like so that he is not visible anymore.
By the way this is not theoretical, it really is done by some user here.
That's not censorship. The messages are still in the blocks. The way steemit inc handled the situation is by lieing and telling people the user didn't exist on the blockchain. When they should have done like YouTube (as they are just Facebook v2) and put a "comment was removed" placeholder. To me this shows the inexperience of STEEMIT inc . And not to mention. Steemit.com Was a CLONE, not even an original idea. OF DIGG!
"That's not censorship. The messages are still in the blocks."
Theoretical you are right, but in praxis I think that it to make Posts and/or comments invisible is censorship. Let's say: It's like you let newspaper not to print something, but tell the Reporter that he is free to tell this to the People he meet.
I encourage you to build the platform. The beauty of free networks (freedom not price) is anyone can build their wildest dreams out. Http dapps are not a good idea.
That's not censorship.
Suppression implies the content can't be viewed. For what you're describing, simply click "View content."
For what happened with the blacklist, people have to use a different view. It still can not be prohibited.
As is often stated, ignorance is bliss! However, given the low price is has not had an impact as many negatives are still priced into it. More importantly, the community continues to show its resilience as they come out to defend the ecosystem externally like you and many others did!
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Imagine if Satoshi Nokomoto was a company. People wouldn't be too happy to pump bitcoin in the bear market. Same situation here. @melbookermusic proposed the question, Would Steem be better off without Steemit? If you would have asked me 48 hours ago i would have said no. After seeing how steemit inc lied about censorship. I'd say absolutely. Lieing to the people supporting you isn't very smart. DTube doesn't need Steemit for anything. Our Dapp (not fully a dapp as it's still HTTP) is prepared to run off their own RPCs.
What are your thoughts about this? https://steemit.com/steem/@anyx/what-makes-a-dapp-a-dapp
Until the community continues development on the blockchain core code, we still need Steemit, Inc.
Did they lie? I don't know. Maybe they will publish a statement.
Can we - in the same line of thinking - say that EOSDAC has nothing to do with EOS?
I hope and think your message is known to the leftovers here, it should be spread out of here.
On the other hand, i would love to know more about EOSDAC. What is evident in your circles, will not be known here.
Blockchain-intercommunication on all levels.
Let me just add that i am so happy to have met you on Steemfest, i wanted to make a whole post on this but will end it with a one-liner, i truly love you man, you know what this movement is about and you are a true warrior!
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Thanks @bubke. :)
No, I don't think so. It's a bit of a false equivalency to me. I didn't say Steemit has nothing to do with Steem, for starters, but also eosDAC is defined as a series of smart contacts which exist on the EOS blockchain. It relies on EOS and is connected to it. eosDAC is also a community-owned block producer and EOS, so it has some say in the governance of the EOS chain, what software updates are applied, etc.
eosDAC is many things including a community owned block producer, a DAC, a DAC enabler, a series of smart contracts, and an interface to the chain here: https://members.eosdac.io/
Dang you beat me to this, but thanks for helping to clear up this issue on Steemit and across other platforms such as youtube as well.