To Bot Or Not To Bot - That Is The Question We Have Talked About Ad Nauseam - Can We Move On Now?

in #upvote6 years ago (edited)

People sometimes forget the 'social' part of social media.

I've been watching the heated debates from the sidelines concerning bots on Steemit. Those for and against them all have strong opinions in favor or against using them and I suppose there's some truth in some of those views.

There is another way to use this platform though that can add value to the community without having to resort to buying upvotes and that is to be social. It is, after all, a social media platform, something I think people seem to forget. Their focus is so riveted on earning a reward that the idea of plugging into a community of people with common interests alludes them.

When I first started using this platform almost 2-years ago I was intrigued by the possibility of being rewarded for posting just like everyone else I suppose, but I could see early on that building a community of people with a common interest, something we are already doing on platforms that don't rewards us at all, was a way to benefit ever-growing numbers of people as they join those communities.

Sure, a new user could pay for a service that gets them upvotes right out of the gate when they first join, but how personal is that? Do the people upvoting them really care about what they are posting about and does the poster really care?

Communities centered around common interests seems more genuine, more interesting, and bolsters user retention. We like hanging out with and interacting with people who share the same interests as we do.

It does take longer for someone, anyone, to start these communities, but in the long run I believe it's better for the platform. For starters, people engage differently in a community of their peers. The discussions are centered around the topics they share, not around the pros and cons of using bots.

I don't feel any animosity towards bot use, per se, but it does bother me to see so many heated discussions around it for the simple reason that it makes the platform look bad.

Every time people argue about bot use, whether you should or shouldn't use them, throwing acidic arguments at each other to defend their positions, or worse, attack each other for their opposing views, it is indelibly written on the walls of Google's search engines forever.

Every new person researching Steemit and considering if they are going to join the platform or not will now see these damning debates and it could turn them off from joining altogether. Or they may start to believe that the only way to get rewarded is to buy bot voting power. Either way, we lose a potential new user.

This arguing in permanent ink does no one any good in the long run. I know the platform is young and youngsters go through growing pains, but try to remember, in the heat of your moment, that this is a social media platform and you are writing in permanent ink.

If you Google Steemit right you'll find a platform that seems to talk about itself a lot.

I understand a new platform like ours needs to work things out as it grows, but we can't just keep talking about ourselves and expect the platform to attract mainstream users. We need to start talking about other topics that have a wide interest to a lot of different types of people.

In closing, I just want to remind everyone that being social on a social media platform and building and joining communities around topics that interest you will have the same longterm effect as buying votes without the cost or the damaging debate surrounding it.


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I bot a lot, and I support an initiative that rewards users who don't bot. When they asked me why, this is what I told them: a system with a single path to success is a system with a single point of failure.

There isn't a true dichotomy between botting and starting/working with communities, unless the communities make it so by driving out people for botting. It's entirely possible to do both.

If you Google Steemit right you'll find a platform that seems to talk about itself a lot.

Immensely guilty lately. At least I'm spending as much of my time writing curation posts as complaining posts. But I'm way over my self-imposed goal for how many Steemit-related posts I make. At least there's new Steven Universe all week this week, so I won't be lacking in other subjects.

Exactly my point. Google wouldn't be where it is now, for example, if all people posted about was Google.

The wider the range of topics we post about and the more groups and communities that start to form around those topics the better we will do and the more interesting it will be for people who find us.

We need to move on and stop obsessing over Steemit. There are so many more thing we could center our conversations around that will help us attract more users who will want to stay here once they find a community that interests them here.

@luzcypher You have received a 100% upvote from @steemconductor because this post did not use any bidbots and you have not used bidbots in the last 30 days!

Upvoting this comment will help keep this service running.

Thanks, I appreciate that. I don't even upvote myself anymore.

Your article is very good and not is there where need it. I do not use bots, and also I not in the top even though my articles are exceptional.

What are your posts about?

You need to find others with the same interests and create a community around those topics. If you do that consistently, you'll find the support you need to get rewarded. It takes time but creates a real, lasting value.

I've personally been on both sides of this issue and agree... let's move the fuck on!

YES!!!

I think people should take care when they post their tags. Sometimes that's a challenge. I agree with you though, posting about things a general audience is interested in is good for Steemit and bringing in new folks. The ultimate challenge is for Steemit posts to make it to the top tier of google searches (and not just goog but others like 'Ask.'

Tags are very important on Steemit and often misunderstood. It's one of the best ways to get posts seen by people with similar interests. Finding communities to plug into is something that needs to be easier for new people to find. Once they do find their "family" here things get a bit easier.

I did it the hard way and created a community, starting my own tag openmic, but the rewards are steady now because people support it.

Interesting analysis @luzcypher, thanks for sharing :)

i think bot is a good option,it will help to grow faster because its already have a wider audience so its a goods option in my point of view :)

It depends on how the bot is being used. A machine that upvotes you is not an audience. An audience is a group of people. Groups are communities of real people gathered together for a reason. No bot can replicate that. There's only one way to get people to come together and that's to attract them with something they are interested in. A theme, an idea, a commonality.

If the only thing you're interested in is an upvote then it's not really a social media site, is it? It's not going to attract the mass of people out there who could care less about bots. They want to socialize on interesting sites. That's why we should be focusing on building communities and move on from talking about Steemit all of the time.

Steemit is interesting to people already on Steemit, but to reach more people we have to start talking about other things.

yeah you are absolutely right most important is building a genuine social community now i am against the bot and i'll work genuinely in this platform so thanks for correcting me :)

We use a bot for open mic too. I never asked anyone to create one, but @ausbitbank did so that the community could support each other.

The bot he created just follows my manually curated posts because I upvote so many entries that if I upvoted at 100% voting power my votes would be worth nothing, so it follows my votes and helps to boost them so that others earn more for entering. We don't sell upvotes, we give them away for free when someone enters. But I am still manually listening to and upvoting every valid entry.

It also made it possible for people to delegate Steem Power to the @openmic account which follows my upvotes from the @luzcypher account. People who delegated did not necessarily want to upvote every post I make, so the can just support openmic posts and entries this way. We didn't create to make money for ourselves, but to help others in the community. I don't even upvote myself anymore. I did when I first started but now I want to save my voting power to give to others.

It's not that bots are bad, it's just how you use them. In this case, the community came first and is the main focus. The bot is just a tool that helps us support each other, but not the topic of the community. We hardly ever talk about it because that is not what the community is about.

The community is about music and that is why we are part of it, not because of a bot. Most people don't even know it exists. And that's what we need to do to reach wider audiences to join Steemit. We need to quit talking about Steemit and start blogging about things that interest a wider audience.

Bot offers service people paying
The new ones here can not use the bot

Yes, I get it.

I'm just reminding people that to reach a wider audience in the world we need to start blogging about things that interest those people.

Like a good recipe to cook for dinner tonight, or a great movie review, or a wonderful place to visit in the world. Talking about bots all the time and fighting about it is not how we are going to attract new users to the platform. Let's get back to being a social media site.

Communities are more important than bots. It's why people join social media sites and stay on them. Let's keep focusing on building and joining communities. Humans can push an upvote button too, not just bots. A community of like-minded people is what we should be plugging into, that's where the lasting value is and having a real group of people on the other end of that upvote is a hell of a lot more fun.

And while you can pay for a service that pushes that upvote button for you that's not really doing anything for the community. Good content that a real community can value is worth a lot more to this platform and holds more interest for the average user. That's why we join social media sites, to begin with.

You're very right. Since this is a social media platform where people are supposed to interact with one another, bots are kind of preventing such interaction from happening. If i can use bots to always boost my post payouts, why should i bother interacting with anyone? Though the bots are helping some people but if we look at it closely, they are not helping the platform

Excellent post @luzcypher - building a community is very rewarding but also time consuming - but worth it in the end

That's what social media sites are all about. Just reminding people.

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