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RE: Socialism works so well it brought back polio!
Polio is here in the US as well, it's just not acknowledged as such.
The polio vaccine, it turns out, is probably not the reason for the die-back in polio cases. Leaving peoples' tonsils in instead of routinely taking them out, not spraying people in public swimming pools with insecticide and calling polio by different names probably has quite a bit more to do with it. And being able to intubate when someone's lungs are in trouble helps too...
Can you tell me some of those different names? :O
Acute Flaccid Paralysis Syndrome. Research that, there's so much evidence that polio was ONLY reclassified that you'd be swimming in it for a week. Or pick up the book Dr. Mary's Monkey and the trail of SV40 cancer-causing virus that the polio vaccine was.
"AFP is the most common sign of acute polio, and used for surveillance during polio outbreaks. AFP is also associated with a number of other pathogenic agents including enteroviruses, echoviruses, West Nile virus, and adenoviruses, among others" source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaccid_paralysis
It's a syndrome, not an alternative name for polio. Yes, one of its causes can be polio.
As for the cancer-causing vaccine, I will need a credible reference. By credible, I mean a study published in a credible peer reviewed journal or at least something on par with wikipedia.
Flaccid paralysis
Flaccid paralysis is an illness characterized by weakness or paralysis and reduced muscle tone without other obvious cause (e.g., trauma). This abnormal condition may be caused by disease or by trauma affecting the nerves associated with the involved muscles. For example, if the somatic nerves to a skeletal muscle are severed, then the muscle will exhibit flaccid paralysis. When muscles enter this state, they become limp and cannot contract.
Are you going to quote Wikipedia as a "credible reference"?
First off, what is the source of that quote, and are they credible and not biased to begin with?
Here's an article:
https://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/polio-wasnt-vanquished-it-was-redefined/#_edn1
http://harvoa.org/polio/plag/jr/jr_te04p46.htm
Read this in tandem with https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4160575/ which details that with today's understanding and knowledge, making a vaccine is tantamount to playing darts in the dark or with a blindfold on.
And then contrast that to the language used in the Field Manual:
A syndrome btw? It's exactly the same symptoms, and in order to distinguish a difference between what could be the causation for those symptoms we have to wander into the world of immunization and virology, where studies like the one I pointed are abound, and you have but one conclusion to derive: that what the results tell us in trying to distinguish what caused it is that we have no clue, only conjecture.
I refferenced Dr. Mary's Monkey, if you want to look at that. I refferenced you to look Specifically for a thing that you dismissed without critical thought by introducing the propaganda that is Wikipedia when it comes to this, plus you have to establish that whoever wrote that isn't getting paid directly from the pockets of the same people that fund the vaccination programs and the "supposed" studies that we have yet to see. If you want to look at the SV40 debacle you have to be willing to be critical of all the establishment propaganda on viruses, especially since wikipedia and refferences such as Shelly's Microbiology have zilch for cited sources and actual replicated experiments when it comes to immunizations, it's pure hogwash with wikipedia still claiming that the mechanism for action is akin to a lock and key when we have known that to not be the case for 40 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SV40
Credible references. Please let us see what you know about the reclassification of polio and why Acute Flaccid Paralysis (syndorme, it's just a syndrome lmao!)is different, what is the distinguishing difference between clasifying one as Acute Flaccid Paralysis and the other as Polio, and disregard what I said and what Wikipedia says, tell us what you know because you seemed to already be aware of the argument when you're asking for different names for polio, and maybe you can reason how vaccines work at all if there is no way to discern the mecahnism by which they work, their reactions and their efficacy and there hasn't been one study that has demonstrated any of this to this day, despite the literature claiming to have isolated Polio 30 years before the electorn scanning microscope was even around to distinguish such nonsenses.
SV40
SV40 is an abbreviation for simian vacuolating virus 40 or simian virus 40, a polyomavirus that is found in both monkeys and humans. It was named for the effect it produced on infected green monkey cells, which developed an unusual number of vacuoles. Like other polyomaviruses, SV40 is a DNA virus that has the potential to cause tumors in animals, but most often persists as a latent infection.
The discovery of SV40 revealed that between 1955 and 1963 around 90% of children and 60% of adults in the U.S. were inoculated with SV40-contaminated polio vaccines.
What this doesnt say is that the vaccines were in use into the late 70's:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16288015
Half-Truths and deflated facts, that's wikipedia for you, ran by the really credible Jimmy Whales, really credible at being a scumbag that is.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16288015
From this excellent article.
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/it-only-took-50-years-cdc-admits-polio-vaccine-tainted-with-cancer-causing-virus/
So how much do we trust the CDC as they covered up and lied to this day about this?
First I want to thank you. To reply to your comment I spent a big amount of time reading about polio. Of course I am not a doctor or something but I now have a better understanding about the disiease.
"Are you going to quote Wikipedia as a "credible reference"?"
I think quoting wikipedia for simple stuff (like what are the causes of a disease) is more than enough but fair enough. Here's something more concrete:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4268831/
In this study acute flaccid paralysis in most subjects was the result of GBS which is most often caused by Campylobacter jejuni.... Here's an interesting tidbit from the paper " Stool examination was adequate in all cases and was sufficient to exclude poliomyelitis. In 138 (99%) stool samples no poliovirus was isolated "...
Now, before I continue with the other things, because my time is limited, can we at least agree that acute flaccid paralysis is a symptom that among other things might caused by polio?
If we can't agree on this basic thing I don't think further discussing this has any point actually and its gonna be a waste of time for the both of us :)
Actually, you only went skin deep into the subject.
The problem that you won't even spot because you're not critical of the study and it's methods, despite that I implored you to look at those things specifically, is that polio hasn't been isolated, and the WHO and CDC are complacent in the SV40 debacle, and MANY more such things that exemplify either villainous objectives or inexcusable lack of ANY standards. Yeah that's a mouthful but try to go down the rabbit hole of polio isolation, which was purported to have occurred about 20 years before the electron scanning microscope, and with today's technology it is still a game of darts in the dark to attempt to differentiate viruses or to claim that what is "isolated" are antigens/viruses as the scale of these things is still out of our reach, let alone the method with which they function or the mechanism for immunity, both of which are still completely outside the posibility of our knowledge to distinguish or differentiate.
I also brought up SV40 and with doing that I discredited ANY information that CDC, WHO or any other Agency could ever produce as credible or outside the scope of Propaganda, and ONLY propaganda.
I want you to now google the numerous microbiologists that have been "suicided" since 2000, and the numerous who suffered that fate before as well. Then I want you to take that information together with this:
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/the-criminalization-of-science-whistleblowers-an-interview-with-judy-mikovits-phd/
Don't do anything but sit and chew on that information for a couple days, and when you truly are interested in approaching this subject without your clear bias which is that Vaccinations are AT ALL beneficial, then go ahead and look for everything and anything that supports the opposite of your bias, because there has not been ONE virologist that have given up their career to expose the fraud of vaccinations that have switched sides back to even mildly entertaining that vaccinations can have benefits, but there have been a plethora of virologist that have rallied against vaccinations, despite their losing pretty much everything in doing so.
If you really want to go and research the SV40 debacle, and consequently Polio, you'd go to Amazon and pick up the book Dr. Mary's Monkey, and know that not one thing in that book has been refuted.
For some things to scan over meanwhile as you build up the formidable perspective to not take ANYTHING about viruses and immunity on conjecture or without detailed explanations as to everything that goes into these studies, especially when presented with such vacuous, unsourced and unreferenced claims of isolations that are devoid of any substance and will remain completely unsubstantiated for the foreseeable future:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2unbia/remember_the_good_old_days_before_polio_was/
You coming back with one study that literally is the epitome of conjecture and disregard for details and without any description of the numerous processes that had to be involved is akin to someone trying to cherry pick information to support their bias. It would behoove you, and anyone else that thinks the CDC, or any of their Scientist for hire and the Labs, as remotely credible, to consider at least the other side, instead of applying double standards of "credible" to anything that scrutinizes the propaganda of "Vaccines work with a Lock and Key", or "We Isolated this virus (minus any details as to the procedure and the data that brought about that conclusive nonsense)" while they rely on the belief that the propaganda Desiminaton of Jimmy Whales is credible or the inexcusible track record of poisoning people that both the WHO and the CDC have been caught in, again and again, and again and again and again can ever be credible and to imply that while trying to position information contrary to the established narrative that these abusers have purpouted as requiring you to tell me that "it better be credible".
This subject is so multifaceted that if you are interested you will find entire libraries devoted to discredit vaccines and virus theory which are chock full of references and detailed in not only procedure but the limitations thereof, while on the other side there are but a handful of pamphlets and incredulously embarrassing things that are used to educate anyone interested in microbiology and viruses in the indoctrination of College and University, such as Shelly's Microbiology which has absolutely ZERO citations in the 600+ textbook and if you were to open it you'd be appaled should you have any semblence of critical thought to the information presented!
I'm going to have to look them up - I researched this about a year and a half ago when I was looking up polio vaccine and the answer is not sticking in my brain. The shock of realizing it's still around sure did, though.
I will try to get on this at some point today - I'm taking a break from working on taxes and am trying not to get too bunny-trailed while I have a quiet moment...
Okay, here's some of the things that I read leading me to believe that polio has not actually disappeared. You alluded to it in your article by pointing out that some people refuse to call the Venezuelan outbreak "polio".
As you noted, Acute Flaccid Paralysis Syndrome is a symptom, not a disease. However, that particular symptom was the feared outcome of contracting Paralytic Poliomyelitis (most people - 95% - just had what we'd call today a "24 hour stomach bug" when they got polio).
The thing about Polio is that it's an Enterovirus. It was unique in the 50s because that exact strain of Enterovirus had a habit of causing 1 - 5% of it's sufferers paralyzation by attacking the spinal cord.
This onset of ACFS is still occurring in conjunction with Enteroviruses, most recently in 2014 when there was an outbreak of Enterovirus D68 which caused a surprising number of children to suffer polio-like symptoms. Story
Another term for this strain of Enterovirus (with paralyzation) is Novel Enterovirus C105.
This is not ever formally called "polio", but the symptoms are...chillingly similar.
Here is a link to the CDC article about the 2014 outbreak since that's going to be the most skeptical to my point of view: Acute Flaccid Paralysis Associated with Novel Enterovirus
Note that in the article it says that telling the difference between this strain of Enterovirus and the one that terrified the Western world in the 50s is going to be a "diagnostic challenge".
To me, this is double speak. It's like saying the influenza we get today is not the same as the influenza which killed so many people in the early 1900s, so we've eradicated influenza and don't need to be worried about it anymore.
Enteroviruses can still cause paralyzation by attacking the spinal cord. Therefore, Polio still exists and there is no vaccine for this strain. Not surprising, since gut viruses like enterovirus are notoriously prone to mutation and are very difficult to even try to vaccinate against.