RE: Chinese State Run Mass Murder & Genocide For Organ Harvesting - Massive Numbers Of Non-Communist Party Members Abused & Killed For Profit: Professional Witness Testimonies At The ITNJ (Intl. Tribunal of Natural Justice).
I am going to shed some light on this because I have been following this for a long time---around 20+ years now.
I have no doubt that organ harvesting exist in China or India. I am also not condoning organ harvesting of anyone either. Let me make this clear...
However the majority of people are unaware of Falun Gong movement and their false agenda of using the blind mass to make political agendas which jeopardizes their followers that make governments around the world hate them because of their false teachings and using their followers for the cults personal agenda of the higher control of the cult.
Falun Gong creator (Mr. Li Hongzhi) is teaching a false teaching of Buddhism. He basically hijacked the Buddhist religion and twisted it with his personal beliefs to create blind followers.
Falun Gong claim they can make their followers invulnerable physically through weird false teaching of Qigong.
This is directly quoted from their website. http://en.falundafa.org/introduction.html
"When a practitioner’s Xinxing and the strength of his Gong reach a certain height, he or she can attain an imperishable, adamantine body while still in the secular world."
Through the 20+ years I have been following Falun Gong movements their website has changed numerous times. I still remember on their website at one point, claimed that Mr. Li Hongzhi, the creator of Falun Gong, was a special living entity of dragon descent. The website also claimed that he came to Earth from another planet to share the sacred teaching of Falun Gong.
I have ran into several Falun Gong practitioners around the world and they are following blindly a cult. Most of them have an IQ of below 100. They are completely brainwashed and that is a deliberate intent of the cult's creator----to create an ignorant blind mass for them to control.
The real evil is the creator who pretends to be "God" or a "Dragon" with a special mission to change the world through false teaching and lead a "blind" mass for them to control along with the higher level echelon of the cult who is governing its global political movement.
In my opinion they are very dangerous because they are brainwashing people and creating a zombie of fake "Buddhist" followers that is controlled by the cult's leader and his "generals" that can be activated anytime for a political reason or any reason they label as the cult's mission.
My message is to warn others of following Falun Gong and to warn people of the dangers in this cult. If they can create political movement around the world then they can do other mission statements too with their zombies.
What particular politicisation of the members of the group are you referring to that makes 'the governments of the world hate them'?
I have no doubt that any such large 'spiritual movement' will be corrupted, just like 99% of all the others - but it helps if we deal with actual details that can be checked, discussed and learned from.
If this group is another mind controlled cult, then it could be said that it's leaders are part of the organ farming project - just designed to produce a healthy batch.
I have never thought that the Li Hongzhi would be involved in the organ harvesting project. That would be a scary thought.
Li Hongzhi is claiming that modern science and medicine is evil that itself is an indirect statement to make any government fear them because he is stopping the advancement of civilization. That is their political statement.
It also doesn't give any comforting thought that they make claims that "Their Special Qigong" can make their followers physically invulnerable as I highlighted from their website to make themselves superhumans.
Falun Gong practitioner are taught to believe that they can achieve immortality with "Their Special Qigong" that can make them physically invulnerable to weapons and disease.
Falun Gong practitioner are also taught to believe that "Their Special Qigong" can also make them immortal without the need for food.
If you can create a zombie mob with this kind of mentality they can be used to overthrow any form of government and halt any form of economic growth in any region.
I wrote this follow up post to this topic that specifically addresses what I realised about the mechanics involved here after reading the falungong site that you linked me to.
You speak more objectively. I come from China. Some people's speeches are extremely radical. The facts are not like that. There are Buddhist temples, Christians, and Christianity. Christians are also completely free. If you don’t believe me, I’ll go for some time. Take some pictures for you to see, including temples, churches, and of course communists cannot have these beliefs because they are atheists. I didn’t participate in Falun Gong because I’m ridiculous to hear them say, I’m not working at home every day, and I’m practicing at the time. The people are completely in a state of madness. You can't just reason with them. Well, let's talk so much.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Yes, from what you say I agree that Falun Gong is a religion. As with all religions, they have the potential to be dangerous. But this doesn't justify their being tortured and slaughtered. In fact, if we have learned anything watching the history of religion, the more we persecute them the more followers they attract. The power of Christianity dininished in Europe and the US only when it (and better alternatives) were free and people were free to think for themselves. Have faith in the ability of people to see truth for themselves.
@spbeckman
I never said I agree with the persecution. My goal is to warn others that Falun Gong is NOT a religion but a cult with blind following which makes them dangerous.
Obviously...you didn't read my post...
I did read your post. My perspective is that there is little difference between a cult and a religion, except possibly the size of the following.
Can you look at Islam as practiced by ISIS (and many others) and consider them non-dangerous? Can you look at the Christian church as it was practiced 1000 years ago and consider it non-dangerous? Consider the crusades, the inquisition, jihad, terrorism, and the countless lives that have been destroyed by those that believe they are on the side of God.
Falun Gong is dangerous, so are all these other religions.
My comment was that looking at these historical religions, the more we try to censor them and stop them, the more they are able to attract followers. Their leaders can claim to be the victims and point that because they have so much "power and truth" the rest of the non-believers want to silence them. A better way is simply to shine the light on them and let them try to explain why they behave as badly as they do. Sure, they will have some followers, but over generations they will shrink.
You haven't studied cults and religions extensive enough. There is a BIG difference in Cults and Religions and it is not about size of followers!
Religions do NOT grant special powers but of understanding a faith to walk a spiritual path. Cults promises special powers that are supernatural which is a false sense of delusion. All cults are false teachings. Cults adopt a religion and twist it.
Christians receive spiritual gifts, such as speaking in tongues, divining the future, and laying of hands for healing, etc.
According to 1 Corinthians 12:8-10 , "To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues."
Does this make Christianity a cult? I don't think so. It seems to be a religion to me, but so does Falun Gong.
What then makes the difference between religions and cults?
Then what?
By the way, I am not a troll -- I genuinely believe what I'm writing. I'm an amateur philosopher and to me this is important. (I guess that I have a doctorate in philosophy so maybe I'm not an amateur... my PhD is in a different field, so does this count?)
Let me add that you have a misunderstanding about Christianity like the majority of the people in the world.
I can tell that you haven't studied enough about religion to understand that old Christianity or Orthodox/ Eastern Christianity is not the same as Modern Christianity which branches off of Catholic Christianity that caused the split in the Old Christian church which is known as the Great Schism of Christianity.
I suggest you do your own research because if I was to go into a deep discussion about Orthodox Christianity and how they are completely different than modern Christianity then this can go on for months.
Orthodox Christianity also does NOT teach about Dogmas, meaning right and wrong.
After the Great Schism that created the Roman Catholic churches, it was the Roman Catholic priest that ordered the Holy crusades and the Inquisition of the Middle Age. They created the Knights Templars, which is knighting young man on holy missions to save the Holy land which is a complete fake front. The secret mission of the Knights Templars was the raid the Orthodox Christian Churches of sacred artifacts for power and claim them for the Catholic Churches!
Once you actually understand this history it will also reveal to you who actually controls the world and how blind the majority of the people are.
Here is a very good timeline of the Great Schism and the splitting of the Christian faith. Those arrows on the right side shows the creation of Modern Christianity that is the branching off of other Christian Sects like Protestant, Lutheran, Baptist and so on....from the Roman Catholic church, which also shows the conflict among the Roman Catholic and other Modern Christianity.
Having read through the homepage of that site, I can see some absolutely fundamental errors in the logic which have very possibly allowed these people to become so exploited:
My regular readers will know that I write a great deal about emotions and will. When we become so focused into the mental and deny our desires, we invite suffering and the opposite of what we really need. It is, sadly, not surprising to me that those who deny their will and desires are finding out how terrible the results can be for them. :/
I am going to agree with @greenbeans here, and speak from experience. I once stayed in a guesthouse in Malaysia (run by Chinese-Malaysians) and it was one of the most WARPED experiences I have ever had, and I am so glad that people are speaking up about this, as that experience left me with psychological wounds to this day, mainly because I have never been able to get the information needed to put the experience into perspective. I stayed in this guesthouse for almost a month, but never felt quite right. It started with the owner's son (who was, interestingly NOT married) pushing a bunch of Falun Gong literature right in the lobby fo the guesthouse. I knew something was not right, but as usual, figured that it was partly MY OWN general weariness of people FUELED by the general negative treatment I was getting from the Chinese population there (not all, but MOST - especially the increasing mass of mainlanders who we now know have been essentially COLONIZING the country, with some help from the government). As a Chinese tea enthusiast I remember that when I asked the NICE Chinese people at the tea shop down the street from the guesthouse about the guesthouse owner they gave the standard (unspoken) "no comment" gesture. Looking back now it all makes more sense. I ended up essentially freaking out there one night (got drunk and yelled (a lot)), as the pressure just got to be too much. The worst part is that they made me feel like I was ALL to blame for the situation (which is typical "cultish" behavior, for anyone with basic knowledge of cults). I have been living with this trauma for YEARS now, and these accusations that this is a cult-like (the "bad" type of cult) organization are starting to make more sense in light of experience. This is not to say that the CCP should be congratulated on pointing out the cult-like nature of this organization (talk about the "pot calling the kettle black"), but in retrospect I can NOW see the grain of truth in the ESPECIALLY harsh response of the ALREADY harsh CPP. Thanks for this enlightenment, but this is just an overall TERRIBLE state of affairs. But at least I can feel LESS CRAZY now...