#Ulog: artgirl 05-08-18, Pls remove the upvote function for Steemit newbies if our upvote is dust.

in #ulog6 years ago (edited)

Eversince I've gotten past the bandwidth issue, I keep getting really low voting power (VP) from all the upvoting I do. Today I saw with my own two eyes that my $0.02 upvote on a post will not earn anyone anything. Not just comments, even posts upvoted with worth $0.02 have no value now.

Check this screen cap.
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I upvoted that on it's 6th day with my upvote value of $0.02. And then today when I was checking my posts I noticed this one that I resteemed is suddenly $0.00 upon pay out. Hahaha omg, I'm not an expert on Steemit so my guess is they already implemented the dust upvote shenanigan or it's already existing since before it became an issue. Or maybe it's got something to do with the Steem value going down. I'm clueless so maybe someone who's an expert on this can let me know. Or another option yet would probably be because the post was set to 100% SP and not 50-50? I have no idea really.

And because I like to vote around to show my appreciation but mere red fishes/minnows don't really have a say on how to run this platform, I will not be upvoting posts I find interesting anymore unless I can't help it or it has more than 0 value. Most likely I will just be posting a curation post where I will put all the quality and interesting posts I find, much like what the #newbieresteemday people are doing. This will save me my voting power and also will help promote other people's quality posts.

Imagine though if everyone else is doing this, who will be doing the upvoting? The bigger fishes? Hahaha. Only a handful of them go around curating posts. Most of the active ones here on Steemit are red fishes and minnows whose vote value are dust, but do correct me if I'm wrong.

Who knew I'd be eventually doing this too. So anyway I'll just be commenting around because my upvote is dust. Sad really to have an upvote function that has no value at all.

Why don't they remove the upvote function for newbies instead if our upvotes are not worth anything?


How can we help increase anyone's reputation then? Perhaps only the ones with bigger upvotes count these days?

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You know what this dust vote issue will probably do? Those who are aware of it will not even upvote on a newbie's quality post they like. What if all red fishes/minnows do not upvote on a post with zero value because their upvote value is dust, will any Steemit post earn anything? Not all posts will be seen by a lot of people so I'm thinking more posts will get zero upvotes and so more new people will leave Steemit. I dunno but that's just the negative side of it. Hopefully more people who have vote value will upvote more zero valued but quality posts if this is how it's gonna be.

Please enlighten us. @ned @timcliff Or whoever can clear this up. Thank you.

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I noticed some of my comments with 0.02 had a $0 payout as well. Comments were not voted on after the first day, so that's not the issue. I was wondering why that happened. I thought 2 cents was the bare minimum. I'm right there with you @artgirl, I have no idea how this all works but it seems like it's possibly a good thing to dust the upvotes that are small. Although I don't know if it lowers the supply or just returns back into the pool.

Maybe it disappears into thin air. Poof our VP are dust. If that's the case just remove them until our supposed voting value reaches 0.03 maybe.

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As far as I'm aware, the 'dust vote' is for comments only. I think because you voted on the 6th day is the issue...something about too close to post payout. Try your experiment on an earlier day when a post comes out and see if that makes a difference. I really hope you are wrong with this one :)

Well I was hoping voting on the 6th day shouldn't have a difference but I will see if I can find another one where this experiment will be successful and have a pay out.

Tag me in it if you do please ; I'll be curious of the results :)

Sure thing. :) Not sure when I get to do it but will do.

Unfortunately all my votes turn up as 03 already so I don't think any more experiment is in order...

Uy hindi naman YOU log to ah 😜

It is for me. It's about my frustration on the site. Still about me and what I do or will do on the site.

Ang totoo pamagat lang binasa ko eh hahaha 😂😂😂

Yan tayo eh...

There was an article written about vote values of less than 2 cents not all that long ago and basically the premise is that it is the CUMULATIVE vote that must be over 2 cents to make it worth something. So let's look at your example and assume that the 3 votes shown, together were less than 2 cents. Then it would show up as zero pay-out.

However, if the other 2 votes were also worth 2 cents each, then with the addition of your 2 cents, the pay-out would be worth 6 cents and at a 50/50 split, the author would receive 0.03 SBD and a small amount of SP.

In other words, your little vote is not worthless unless the total votes are less than 2 cents. So keep voting because you never know if a bigger fish will vote after you do.

Thanks. Yeah but it is worthless on it's own. And not everyone votes on other people's small posts. So anyway I'm just not feeling it here anymore as much as I used to.

Then you will likely migrate to ONO when it opens to world? It should open in a few weeks.

Not sure what that is?

It is an alternative to steem.

Sounds just like Steemit...

Many differances: No pre-mine, so no whales. Each vote is worth the same, so $ doesn't mean power. Equitable distribution. Democratic control rather than dictatorial.

Hmmm that's good to know then.

timcliff gave me a link to submit proposals on github I think. No enlightenment from them, straight out file a report/complaint/proposal. Well now, summady needs to stop me or else I will propose to remove the upvote function of red fish/minnows.

Oh wait, maybe I'm doing it wrong. I should propose them to ADD value to red fish/minnows 0 to 0.02 upvotes instead of it being dust votes. Hmmmm. Hmmm... Or why don't I just completely forget tf abt this and just be happy with my precious SBDs.

So much for caring huh. This is why I said I need a break around here.

I was quite vocal about a lot of things around here for a while. As I learned more, I discovered that it was all futile. Just earn what you can and be nice to everyone. Creating waves doesn't pay off. Nothing will change anyway.

Did you submit to the proposal thingy too? Did they reject it?

I did not make an official proposal, but ideas were discussed by several prominent people. The attitude of witnesses (those who actually control this site) are such that they like how it is now.

Well he told me to submit one and I'm not sure if it's even worth it. I'm only probably going to get a few upvotes anyway. Pffft.

If they like how it is now then why the heck do they ask our opinion? Ugh. Why implement it without even announcing it? Ok am gonna stop now or I'm going to rant again.

LOL... Do whatever you feel is right for you. Personally, I think you would be wasting your time and effort; that's why I'm taking the time to tell you all this.

Yeah I guess so. It's like they don't even bother answering my question at all but just gave me the link.

Maybe they're busy but who knows... They were able to reply with the link so I was hoping they could have given some insight instead.

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