Vlog 215: Sticking to my investment plan + Could vote bots explain a high SBD price?

in #life6 years ago


My investment plan is still same.

I'm not buying any crypto until it's under my baseline that I set a week ago.

The only thing I bought is STEEM with some SBD.

SBD price


I read some interesting comment about the SBD.

One person said that the reason it's gone up is because they are used a lot in voting bots.

Now I always believed that voting bots would have a bad ROI.

But I did some calculation this morning on a post and I might have been wrong.

One person that is currently trending spend around 200 SBD on bots. (because this blockchain is so open you can see everything).

His pending payout is 200 SBD + 45 SP.

That's not a bad deal.

Of course for this to work STEEM price will need to be stable or go higher in the next 7 days.

If STEEM goes down the person will lose out but still will have visibility for the post.

Of course wether this is a reason for the high SBD price is speculation.

But if it is, I think it puts an extra positive side effect on bots for now.

I talk about it more in my vlog.



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I fully agree with you that it's hard to re-distribute power towards smaller accounts if those are not powering up all they have. According to your own wallet, you're currently selling your SBD, too. I guess you're considering to re-invest back into Steem, which is what many others also do. Maybe you're not, who knows.

To judge people who power down is too easy, you always need to know what they're exactly doing afterwards. Steem users are very loyal, and even though not everybody is in a financial situation that enables them to power up 100% all the time, they may be able to do that in the future.

In the beginnings nobody ever dared to criticize people like heiditravels who used their Steem to travel the world and make this platform popular, so why judge people who use Steem as a currency now?

These were the biggest transfers out in 2017 (Source @paulag):

She added:

65.2 M US$ worth of STEEM was transferred into Steemit in 2017 and 98.8M US$ was transferred out. Many of the steemians that transferred STEEM out of STEEMIT also transferred back in.

It's always important to look at the big picture.

Steem on! :-)

Hopefully we start to see more money coming in than out!

I am not an expert. but people like me who are new in this community learns a lot from people like you. And yes I totally agree with your opinion. People always need to know what they're exactly doing. judging people who use Steem is not very good idea though !

you are right, also Down vote and Flag without explaining also not good.
Maney good paid Posts are Due to Bot ( You pay money for Rich Vote)
or you write what Big Boss of Steemit Like ( You make a advertise of Steemit or Dtube)

OMG! Now I got my point thanks for sharing valuable facts @surfermarly you right well said it happens really at the beginning I'm also facing this. But can you guys help me out from that!

Funny, I never had much success with voting bots (as far as making a profit). It always worked to increase my visibility, but never in the area of coming out ahead.

I hadn't considered the possibility of the demand for SBD from the bid bots as being behind the current rise in SBD price. I suppose that depends whether users are buying SBD on the open market to fund bid bot purchases. While I have nothing against bid bots I don't think I would ever buy SBD to use with them.

Regarding the profitability issue, I always thought if I was near break-even on an SBD basis I was still profiting with the SP I received in addition. And since SP was what I really wanted that was a very good scheme. Not to mention the visibility, although that requires far larger vote buying than anything I ever engaged in.

I suppose that depends whether users are buying SBD on the open market to fund bid bot purchases.

Yes, I agree. It's speculation wether this is the case. But I do like to explore and find reasons why things are happening. Although finding the answer is not always as easy as I would like.

Never hurts to speculate and sometimes your initial ideas lead you down roads you wouldn't have normally explored. I believe the initial pump came from South Korea a couple months ago, but price has found a much higher floor than previously. It's a bit surprising considering the increased SBD production (I believe), which should serve to lower the value of SBDs.

Perhaps SBDs are becoming somewhat similar in crypto to the Yen in fiat (i.e safe haven). More speculation :)

It's a very interesting thing when you unleash a service like Steemit into the wild on the Internet. Now it's in the hands of various people that can create bots and other non regulated software. The banks would panic if they saw what we are doing over here. Over there with their outdated systems everything is overseen with super care. Here we are building something new. What is it? And how will they stop this? Will at least take a few years before they even start to take notice.

And this is just first generation of this kind of software! I was very amazed when I saw that you could actually generate value out of nothing. It was just a question when it would happen after we made money digital and not backed by gold anymore. The laziness from the banks of just printing new money finally caught up to them.

What's the best way to buy/sell SBD on the open market? I'm located in the US and I've been trying to get on Bittrex. For selling, would you just recommend doing so through the options availalbe on Steemit?

Your options are limited. Bittrex is a favorable option with many; but, as noted...doors closed to new accounts.

Many use Poloniex with mixed reviews. Blocktrades is popular with many; but, to buy BTC you have to first get a BTC Wallet, i.e. Coinbase.

OpenLedger is an option; but, until it has more consistent usage (down for maintenance for weeks) I can't recommend this one either.

Truthfully, and I could be wrong; but, you're pretty much locked in to Powering Up, Powering Down; or cashing out SBD for Steem.

I hope this helps.

Peace.

Thank you! It def helps! It also reaffirms what I’ve been reading on my own.

or cashing out SBD for Steem.

Just clarify, here you mean through the Steemit market or by burning it?

through the Steemit market

Yes, this is what I meant. If you convert the SBD into STEEM it remains at-the-ready as a buy and sell currency.

Peace.

  • I profited by your advice. Thanks

When I calculated the bot investment, I found worst result than you stated above. I would invest on SBD instead of giving my SBDs to the bots. I believe investing on your own SP, will get the much better return in the future! Thanks for this very informative post you shared here. You are excellent guide as @clio said!

Yes, I agree with you. Investing in SP I consider the better long-term investment. And cool that you found my mom on here! She has become a true Steemian :)

Your Mom dear @Clio is like my teacher here! When I write something and if she likes it and responds, I feel great! :) Loves from Spain!

Hey man

I'm trying to power up, but also using SBDs to travel as well.

I did wonder the same about the bid-bots, but the SBDs they take are going to the pockets of a few (to pay the delegation lease etc).

I think that SBD are traded like the rest of the alts. and when the chartists/forums decide its time to buy, the price rockets as the rest do.

Of course, i hope SBDs remain here or rise, but at the back of my mind I still think $1 is coming at some point, and so if you can, buy that STEEM and power up!

Cheers!

I also hope they will stay high for a while. But in the end they are only worth 1 dollar worth of STEEM. Selling them for STEEM or something else (crypto or fiat) at these prices (or well anything above $1) seems to be the smart move.

I'm also keeping some but that's just for speculation. Maybe they will pump again for reason X :)

When you consider that the rewards on this platform is 10X already compared to other platforms it shows that there is lots and lots of earnings and growth potential. No other service gives you these amazing rewards just by posting helpful comments. And it's a fast system too. In the future maybe it will go down a bit to 3x as rewarding but that will still be way better than the other platforms that only chase followers and doesn't build trust and reputation. Because clearly the true value of Steemit is the trust and reputation built in system. :)

Over 90% of the volume is on one exchange from one country, if the price had anything to do with interest in using steemit then we would have already seen an explosion of Korean users utilizing the bid-bots, but we can see that this is clearly not the case and I think that it's just a convenient pump and dump tool for them because it's paired with the Korean Won, their fiat currency, and total SBD in circulation is very small.

I can’t imagine it falling , we would have no other way to get Steem than to buy it. I feel like we should switch our sbd to Steem while we have a chance now

No matter what the real reason is behind SBD pump, high SBD prices are keeping many authors and curators active on this great platform, making it more profitable... Let them pump SBD even harder and if possible, i would request @blockbrothers to come up with some kind of SBD voting bot...

i support your idea. upvoted

I don't think that will happen, man. We like to concentrate on other development instead. Steemify, Steemturbine ect. The SBD price is helping @blockbrothers paying for our 5 servers and external dev at the moment so that's another plus to the price.

I'd say leave the bid bots to people who aren't able to contribute in bigger ways. You keep doing your thing.

Same here. @blockbrothers have some fresh ish and I would also like to see what product yall able to deliver. I want to support too..

The real reason behind it is because it’s working. As long as something is profitable people will keep do it more. If it’s good or bad for the platforms who knows. Clearly it will benefit everyone that invested early so many doesn’t want it to stop. Since this industry will be extremely profitable the upcoming years we will see many interesting pumps happen.

Yep, I think the owners of bid bots are making more money on here than just about anyone.

But it may be a trap in the long run. Since it makes you lazy in other areas. The people that work hard I think will win out in the long run. Since building real connections always will be the best idea. Since the money comes from other users! How many times does it actually work out in the long run when you try to cheat a system or do something the easy way? In the long run it usually fails!

It seems reasonable to me that people are buying SBD on the market to use for bid bots. The bots are making a market in the SBD. I likely have seen the post you’re referring to. In this case they spent a lot of SBD to get this result. Other accounts I see investing smaller amounts such as 5-10 SBD aren’t getting the same RIO due to less visibility. So maybe there is a fine line between the investment amount, quality of post and ROI. I wrote an article today arguing that the trending tab is more of a promotion tab. It’s my argument that if you use bid bots, you shouldn’t be allowed to hit the trending page. You can check out the full article here:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@brettcalloway/steemit-s-trending-tab-is-misleading-the-community

Thanks for the post! All the best! :-)

Wohooo! I guess this person would be me! 😀
Thanks for looking into this more! You rock!

Oh and btw @exyle when I mentioned the possibility to use bots with SBD in my comment on your last post, I didn´t mean this as something minnows can do, but as I see it at the moment, it´s the only chance to get seen. This is a problem in a way. So if your are not one of the big fish and post about Steemit as your main topic (no blame here - you are one of the few people, who do this in a very innocent and authentic way, which I love!!), then it´s hard. Even when you got your niche (which in my case is spirituality, meditation etc), there are simply not enough people here yet in this niche with enough SP to make this a worthwhile stay. I think, what most of the big fish are "doing wrong" is to focus their interest on very self-referential stuff and upvote only things that have to do with Steemit, Steem or the platform itself!
I think, that this will be the main challenge, if the STEEM blockchain wants to grow - to broaden its spectrum of topics and don´t primary reward posts, that are about the platform itself.
It´s like in a new relationship - if the only thing you are talking about is your relationship, then it will soon be gone!
➡️Would like to hear your thoughts on that - maybe even in a new vlog. Consider myself as your personal idea contributor for new content. 😀Thank you!

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I completely agree with you on your investment plan and at any opportunity we certainly need to buy the Steem. With regard to the use of bots, it reminds more of the casino, since you can invest in any amount and calculate how much to pay at the moment, but no one will give you a guarantee that your investments will make a profit, because the purchased increase can partially be disposed up to 7 days payments, and here the end result is only the bot itself, this is roulette, lucky or not! Thanks Mark

The bid bots have become very risky. More likely to lose than win from what I've seen.

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